NVIDIA Publishes 73k Lines Worth Of 3D Header Files For Fermi Through Ampere GPUs

[Volta]

I'm curious why you felt the need to add this inane comment which has nothing to do with this news piece.

And this ugly stupid GIF file which makes no one happy, sucks a statement, misunderstood by most people because very few actually remember/know under which circumstances it was said. In short, I won't see your messages any longer.

You just have won 'the hypocrite of the decade' price.

[anarki2]

I'm curious why you felt the need to add this inane comment which has nothing to do with this news piece.

And this ugly stupid GIF file which makes no one happy, sucks a statement, misunderstood by most people because very few actually remember/know under which circumstances it was said. In short, I won't see your messages any longer.

Please fill out the butthurt form as well.

[oiaohm]

No, they don't. Nvidia's closed drivers already work with Wayland. Not well, but they do work. Open sourcing is not a requirement for Wayland compatibility, it would just yield better results. I already [indirectly] pointed out how EGLSteams was not an acceptable solution, yet Nvidia never acted for all this time. Nvidia's Linux desktop marketshare hasn't grown enough for them to care about Wayland. There is nothing preventing Nvidia from using a better method while keeping most things closed-source. Even on X11, Nvidia has stuttery performance and pretty much always has, so why should they suddenly care how well rendering works on Wayland?

The reality its not the desktop market share that is causing Nvidia to care about wayland and open source their drivers. The parties causing Nvidia to care about both is in fact the supercomputer market. Yes Nvidia provided open source driver for current cards was high end accelerator cards first. Yes the first version of Nvidia open sourcing their driver was only for cards that those with super computers could buy. More people like using GUI for system management these days. Insecure X11 is not that suitable in lots of areas.

Nvidia has managed recently to badly upset those running supercomputers and GPU accelerated data processing with the anti crypto coin stuff incorrectly disrupting their operations. Remember you test workloads for supercomputers normally on Linux workstation before allocating days to months of super computer time to the problem.

Nvidia seaming change of heart is that they have screwed up badly in a highly valuable market to them. Hardware vendors the problem is way more complex. Yes the Linux workstation market is small but its a required item for the supercomputer and data processing market. Yes windows adding WSL is also about supercomputer and data processing market. There is a lot money in being Linux workstation usage compatible that vendor gets access to.

[karolherbst]

No, they don't. Nvidia's closed drivers already work with Wayland. Not well, but they do work. Open sourcing is not a requirement for Wayland compatibility, it would just yield better results. I already [indirectly] pointed out how EGLSteams was not an acceptable solution, yet Nvidia never acted for all this time. Nvidia's Linux desktop marketshare hasn't grown enough for them to care about Wayland. There is nothing preventing Nvidia from using a better method while keeping most things closed-source. Even on X11, Nvidia has stuttery performance and pretty much always has, so why should they suddenly care how well rendering works on Wayland?

Stop projecting.

For NVidia's drivers to actually work properly they do need to work completely with GBM which current drivers do not, apart from implicit/explicit sync issues the major reason behind a lot of current NVidia integration issues is due to this.

Sorry, but both of you are wrong. Wayland isn't as important as you think it is, and Nvidia has better reason to open source besides some silly crypto bros wanting to make cheap money and threatening to release source code or wayland.

[karolherbst]

It was my impression the newer bios firmwares are encrypted (as opposed to just being signed) so they can't be dumped into something you can reverse as is... Good to know there's exceptions.

the vbios was never encrypted.

[mdedetrich]

No, they don't. Nvidia's closed drivers already work with Wayland. Not well, but they do work. Open sourcing is not a requirement for Wayland compatibility, it would just yield better results. I already [indirectly] pointed out how EGLSteams was not an acceptable solution, yet Nvidia never acted for all this time. Nvidia's Linux desktop marketshare hasn't grown enough for them to care about Wayland. There is nothing preventing Nvidia from using a better method while keeping most things closed-source. Even on X11, Nvidia has stuttery performance and pretty much always has, so why should they suddenly care how well rendering works on Wayland?

Stop projecting.

For NVidia's drivers to actually work properly they do need to work completely with GBM which current drivers do not, apart from implicit/explicit sync issues the major reason behind a lot of current NVidia integration issues is due to this.

Unlike Windows, Linux doesn't have a stable ABI and although many of these problems were solvable with X11's design thats not the case with Wayland.

[schmidtbag]

Because in order for them to support Linux in the future (taking into account the direction that Linux is going), they have to. NVidia open sourcing this part of the driver was a last resort for them, they were trying to argue for different mechanisms (i.e. EGLStreams) but no one in the Linux community supported that. This then forced NVidia to support GBM and for purely technical reasons in order to get their code accepted/usable in the kernel true it needs to be open source. NVidia doesn't care about open source but they do care about the quality and the usage of their graphics stack.

That alone is enough to put an entire dent into your conspiracy theory, or you could just continue arguing Alex Jones style.

No, they don't. Nvidia's closed drivers already work with Wayland. Not well, but they do work. Open sourcing is not a requirement for Wayland compatibility, it would just yield better results. I already [indirectly] pointed out how EGLSteams was not an acceptable solution, yet Nvidia never acted for all this time. Nvidia's Linux desktop marketshare hasn't grown enough for them to care about Wayland. There is nothing preventing Nvidia from using a better method while keeping most things closed-source. Even on X11, Nvidia has stuttery performance and pretty much always has, so why should they suddenly care how well rendering works on Wayland?

Stop projecting.

[mdedetrich]

You seem to contradict yourself too - if "Nvidia doesn't give a flying f**k" then why release anything? If they supposedly don't have to, why do it? It's a legal liability. It's expensive for them to do this. It's a slow enough process that FLOSS advocates are getting impatient. It threatens the stability of their drivers by 3rd party developers (which is probably why they aren't touching Mesa yet). So, you keep insisting I'm wrong and projecting, yet you come up with nothing that makes sense. I'm not even all that confident the hackers are the reason - like I said, there are long-term profits to be had, which is a more compelling reason and less of a conspiracy theory. But no, apparently Wayland is the goal...

Because in order for them to support Linux in the future (taking into account the direction that Linux is going), they have to. NVidia open sourcing this part of the driver was a last resort for them, they were trying to argue for different mechanisms (i.e. EGLStreams) but no one in the Linux community supported that. This then forced NVidia to support GBM and for purely technical reasons in order to get their code accepted/usable in the kernel true it needs to be open source. NVidia doesn't care about open source but they do care about the quality and the usage of their graphics stack.

That alone is enough to put an entire dent into your conspiracy theory, or you could just continue arguing Alex Jones style.

[schmidtbag]

1) You need to work on your reading comprehension.

Says the one who clearly didn't read my post and has no intention on coming to an understanding.
Useful conversation? No such thing can occur when your immediate response is to dismiss and ridicule.

[schmidtbag]

No its not reasonable to assume that the leak prompted NVidia to release it faster, thats called a conspiracy theory with no basis in reality. NVidia's reasoning for open sourcing their in kernel wrapper is so that their drivers have better compatibility in light of the direction that Linux graphics stack is going with GBM/Wayland along with making GPU issues easier to debug in Linux (since the source is available).

Except the convenient timing and Nvidia's history of keeping things proprietary is a basis in reality.
Nvidia has shown for a decade that they don't care about Wayland. You think I'm the one who is projecting, yet you come up with that? Nvidia doesn't care about the Linux desktop - their Linux support is pretty much for high-end workstations and servers. Their goal is to provide stable drivers, and Nvidia has always had the mentality of doing things their own way than risking someone else's way to go wrong. Do you even realize that Nvidia doesn't have to actually open-source anything to better support Wayland?

And in case its not already clear, the reason why your are projecting is that its evident by the content and tone of your post is that you really want to believe that open source "activism" (or w/e. you want to call it) is having some impact on NVidia when in fact NVidia doesn't give a flying f**k about it. NVidia is not an open source company like Red Hat, which means that open source is on the bottom of the list of their concerns.

The hackers aren't activists. They didn't care about open source at all, because that demand was made after their initial demands. They realized this was something other people wanted, so they'd score some positive publicity for making the demand.
You seem to contradict yourself too - if "Nvidia doesn't give a flying f**k" then why release anything? If they supposedly don't have to, why do it? It's a legal liability. It's expensive for them to do this. It's a slow enough process that FLOSS advocates are getting impatient. It threatens the stability of their drivers by 3rd party developers (which is probably why they aren't touching Mesa yet). So, you keep insisting I'm wrong and projecting, yet you come up with nothing that makes sense. I'm not even all that confident the hackers are the reason - like I said, there are long-term profits to be had, which is a more compelling reason and less of a conspiracy theory. But no, apparently Wayland is the goal...

EDIT:
For what it's worth, I'm more of a Wayland advocate than a FLOSS advocate. If you're at all familiar with my history on Phoronix, I'm not anti-proprietary, and I defend it many times. A decade ago, I defended Nvidia for their closed drivers, because as much as they were detrimental to open-source progress, they worked better than what anything else had to offer, so it's hard to tell them they're wrong when they had the best execution.