They will not release open source driver for their desktop gpus for as long as desktop gpus are competitive with their data center offerings in compute and video transcoding. Why would you pay $3k+ for a gpu when $1k desktop part does the same (except ECC and SRIOV part). You can't say - have a gpl drivers but don't use these gpus in data center! They would need to do the same AMD did - separate architectures for data center and for a desktop.
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Obviously nVidia's corporate tactic after getting cold feet from Intel finally bringing a descent open source GPU to the market.
I'm not swayed at all in my planning from purchasing a future, to be released soon, open source Intel GPU.
Likely hype. We've all seen this before.
Shrugs. Is it Linux kernel policy to allow such completely non-working code to be pulled into the kernel?
In my experience, stubs or beginning code was allowed to be pulled/pushed into the kernel, but only after some verbal confirmation working code would be subsequently pulled/pushed into the kernel. (Didn't read the article word for word, so maybe a different staging method is being used.)
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Originally posted by tehehe View PostThey will not release open source driver for their desktop gpus for as long as desktop gpus are competitive with their data center offerings in compute and video transcoding. Why would you pay $3k+ for a gpu when $1k desktop part does the same (except ECC and SRIOV part). You can't say - have a gpl drivers but don't use these gpus in data center! They would need to do the same AMD did - separate architectures for data center and for a desktop.
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Originally posted by rmfx View PostMesa Nouveau driver would suddenly show amazing progress and popularity since the leaked code would allow contributors to understand how to implement a quality foss driver.
You may have missed the word "tainted." If you read the leaked source code you are tainted. You have ideas in your head that came from leaked source and do not belong to you. Any code you write for nouveau is arguably a derivative work, and argue nvidia's lawyers will. Any contribution you give without their approval is flatly and completely illegal.
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Originally posted by rmfx View Post
Yeah, honestly I would lie if I said I hated these lapsus guys...
If they released the driver sources as they claimed, it would be pointless for NVidia to keep them close source... and who would not benefit from this, except 3 brown-noser corpos at NVidia ?
same thing with this, anyone who would read such source could would essentially turn themselves into the equivalent of the bubonic plague in terms of employment. no one would fix the code up to get mainlined, at best you would have a dkms module that's outdated in a few months. the ONLY thing the code being released would do is cast doubt upon further developments. and make code scrutinized with a microscope. laplus leaking the code would be an absolute nightmare for open source nvidia drivers.Last edited by Quackdoc; 08 April 2022, 08:20 PM.
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Originally posted by rmfx View Post
Yeah, honestly I would lie if I said I hated these lapsus guys...
If they released the driver sources as they claimed, it would be pointless for NVidia to keep them close source... and who would not benefit from this, except 3 brown-noser corpos at NVidia ?
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Originally posted by rmfx View Post
Yeah, honestly I would lie if I said I hated these lapsus guys...
If they released the driver sources as they claimed, it would be pointless for NVidia to keep them close source... and who would not benefit from this, except 3 brown-noser corpos at NVidia ?
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Originally posted by karolherbst View PostAnybody who just glances at that stuff couldn't contribute to nouveau at all anymore.
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Originally posted by CommunityMember View Post
Not necessarily. If the source code is not under an appropriately permissive license the code cannot be included in Linux (ZFS is an example of even an OSS license that is sufficiently different that it cannot be included in Linux), and if it is encumbered due to other IP (which it may very well be) no one of consequence is going to touch it, or perhaps even look at it, as they may then be considered "tainted" and may not be able to contribute to things like nouveau ever again (which is why Wine does not allow contributions from those who have seen the Windows source code). IP is funny like that.
I have no idea what nvidia plans to do with their driver. Maybe they will release an open source version next week, and perhaps never. It seems pretty clear that right now the primary drivers of their revenue have not stopped purchasing GPUs due to the lack of open source license, and unless that changes they are unlikely to change their shade of green.
With AMD on the other hand, their fglrx drivers was so shit they had nothing to lose and they had to redo their drivers from scratch anyways so they decided to open it because why not.
And yeah if anything the recent LAPSUS leak hurts open source efforts because the whole reason why NVidia would have to recode their driver entirely is also applied if people read the leaked source code and then try to contribute to Nouveau NVidia can rightly claim that its derivative work of their original IP protected driver. Proving this would also be quite easy considering that the main issue right now is that the firmware is signed and the only way to get around that is by either reading the leaked source codes or somehow getting the master keys.Last edited by mdedetrich; 09 April 2022, 04:26 AM.
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Lapsus does not threaten to release the code, but the whole chipset design and demand the driver officially being open sourced and maintsinef open source by Nvidia.
I do not expect Nvidia to give in on that demand. Though, I think releasing and maintaining their drivers as open source would not really hurt them.
But that step should come from Nvidia out of their own decision. And that is not likely to happen, sadly.
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