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  • Danny3
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    Too little, too late.
    I'm sorry, but I'm not betraying AMD with 10+ of documentation releasing and working on the open source driver!
    Nvidia doesn't deserve anything but what Linus showed them.
    AMD is the future!

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  • DMJC
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    Oops, I just bought Navi, oh well. This is what happens when you don't invest in GPU Hotplug on Linux and your competitors do. AMD to their credit has put in the effort and gets to reap the rewards.

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  • Jumbotron
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    Originally posted by Kohrias View Post

    They don't even have anything to say to this most basic feature? Nice PR stunt, Nvida!

    I think I have to agree with Linus Torvalds: "Fuck you, Nvidia!"
    THIS !!

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  • Kohrias
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    Before anyone asks in the forums: unfortunately, no, at this stage it doesn't help with Nouveau's biggest challenge of re-clocking / signed firmware since GTX 900 series making it a real obstruction to be able to re-program the hardware to operate at its effective clock speeds rather than the lower boot clock speeds. When asking NVIDIA about it, they are aware of the situation but no solution to announce right now.
    They don't even have anything to say to this most basic feature? Nice PR stunt, Nvida!

    I think I have to agree with Linus Torvalds: "Fuck you, Nvidia!"

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  • shmerl
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    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    a lot of NVidia's special sauce is already in their userland blob. (It's relatively big...) I really don't think it would make much of a difference except distros would actually work properly on nvidia cards out the box without any downstream distro hacks.
    I think kernel driver is the main blocker. I.e. for example for some enterprise cards, they can simply refuse to provide the fully functional driver, unless they are paid. I didn't dig into it, but it's something they easily can do. May be with their userland lock-in they aren't really interested. Either way, open driver will remove the lock-in completely, and Nvidia tactics are toast.

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  • Britoid
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    Originally posted by shmerl View Post

    Point is, no one will pay them anything, if they can use Nouveau with Mesa. Nvidia profits by controlling the market by the fact that the blob is the only functional driver now. I.e. if they want, they can charge anything to those who need certain features. since they are the gatekeeper. Open driver will remove the middleman. I think that's the primary reason Nvidia were such jerks towards Nouveau.
    a lot of NVidia's special sauce is already in their userland blob. (It's relatively big...) I really don't think it would make much of a difference except distros would actually work properly on nvidia cards out the box without any downstream distro hacks.

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  • shmerl
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    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    NVIDIA could use their userland blob with the nouveau drivers, similar to what AMD does.
    Point is, no one will pay them anything, if they can use Nouveau with Mesa. Nvidia profits by controlling the market by the fact that the blob is the only functional kernel driver now. I.e. if they want, they can charge anything to those who need certain features. since they are the gatekeeper. Open driver will remove the middleman. I think that's the primary reason Nvidia were such jerks towards Nouveau.
    Last edited by shmerl; 07 August 2019, 02:56 PM.

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  • Britoid
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    Originally posted by shmerl View Post
    Looks like pressure from AMD and Intel planning to release high end GPUs with open drivers next year finally broke Nivida's nasty refusal to open up documentation for their GPUs. Good development! But so far it's not enough:



    This is the elephant in the room. Nvidia get more pressure now, but they want to retain their blob relevance. If Nouveau becomes fully performant, no one will need their blob anymore, and they'll lose ability to charge enterprise market extra money for unlocking features in their blob.
    NVIDIA could use their userland blob with the nouveau drivers, similar to what AMD does.

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  • rabcor
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    Well that took a while...

    Better late than never tho!

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  • shmerl
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    Looks like pressure from AMD and Intel planning to release high end GPUs with open drivers next year finally broke Nivida's nasty refusal to open up documentation for their GPUs. Good development! But so far it's not enough:

    When asking NVIDIA about it, they are aware of the situation but no solution to announce right now.
    This is the elephant in the room. Nvidia get more pressure now, but they want to retain their blob relevance. If Nouveau becomes fully performant, no one will need their blob anymore, and they'll lose ability to charge enterprise market extra money for unlocking features in their blob.
    Last edited by shmerl; 07 August 2019, 02:47 PM.

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