Google Devs Call Open-Source NVIDIA Driver Unstable, Nouveau Blacklisted By Chrome

[asoltesz]

Is Wayland more stable that X? I'm running it on X and it glitches out all the time. For example I have to restart Firefox several times a day because the graphics start glitching all over the screen. My nVidia machines running the nVidia driver never have anything like that.

Same for Windows using the proprietary AMD stuff. So buggy, glitchy, crashy, just terrible.

I wouldn't even be running AMD but I have a whole bunch of AMD cards left over from the old mining days.

I have been playing the Witcher3 with the RADV AMD Vulkan driver for a couple of months on an RX580 on 18.04, Xorg+Wine+DXVK. It is near flawless.

I have also been working on accelerated KDE Plasma 5 desktop with Xorg on a HD7750 (3 monitors) for ~a year without any major hiccups.

I can't say about Windows but the OSS drivers for Linux are more than good enough for me.

[Tomin]

Is Wayland more stable that X? I'm running it on X and it glitches out all the time. For example I have to restart Firefox several times a day because the graphics start glitching all over the screen. My nVidia machines running the nVidia driver never have anything like that.

Same for Windows using the proprietary AMD stuff. So buggy, glitchy, crashy, just terrible.

I think you might have a broken card. My friend had problems with his on Windows (he's not using Linux on that particular computer) and it seems to be the card. I think he ran some memory test which told that there is an issue. The card also continued to behave poorly on another system.

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amazing. the least wrong part of your comment is still 100% wrong.

I am quite sure they are referring to the lack of binary blobs. Nouveau compiles a clean-room engineered firmware from scratch, IIRC, which could be argued as being more free.

[moonshadow565]

My intel GPU runs fine on open source drivers...

[rastersoft]

Is Wayland more stable that X? I'm running it on X and it glitches out all the time. For example I have to restart Firefox several times a day because the graphics start glitching all over the screen. My nVidia machines running the nVidia driver never have anything like that.

Same for Windows using the proprietary AMD stuff. So buggy, glitchy, crashy, just terrible.

I wouldn't even be running AMD but I have a whole bunch of AMD cards left over from the old mining days.

Have you checked that the card's fan is fine? That happened to a friend some time ago, and the problem was that the fan was blocked and didn't rotate.

[rastersoft]

I'm using it right now and there is a flickering checkerboard glitching square about 200x200 pixels on two of my monitors. This machine also has a nVIdia card driving two other monitors, everything perfect there.

About 5 minutes ago a Windows VM using a passthrough AMD GPU just bluescreened running some simple OpenGL code I'm working on. I've rebooted the same machine with a nVidia card passed through, works great. AMD sucks.

All that sounds to hardware problem...

[carewolf]

It appears your graphic card is dying due to possibly overheating from mining and needs replacement.

No, that is not uncommon. The problem with nouveau is that it is almost perfect for some NVidia hardware, but unstable for others. So applying your experience with one says very little for others. I can use it on old hardware where it can be better than the proprietary drivers, but it always has tons of glitches and crashes when I use on newer hardware, if it can even boot (though the latter it typically because they haven't been given the firmware by NVidia, so no fault of their own).

[carewolf]

I think we already did a similar blacklisting in QtWebEngine, due to more extensive multithreading than Chome (running Qt and Chromium OpenGL rendering in two separate GPU threads) , we hit even more issues with nouveau.

The change was probably https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/208664/ so changing it from only blacklisting old drivers to blacklisting all nouveau driver versions. That suggest Chrome did the same, they used to only blacklist old drivers, and still had issues, which led them to blacklist all versions.

[linner]

It's just amazing how you trying put blame for your overheated hardware on AMD when you're likely have issues with memory corruption or BGA degradation.

It appears your graphic card is dying due to possibly overheating from mining and needs replacement.

I think you might have a broken card. My friend had problems with his on Windows (he's not using Linux on that particular computer) and it seems to be the card. I think he ran some memory test which told that there is an issue. The card also continued to behave poorly on another system.

Have you checked that the card's fan is fine? That happened to a friend some time ago, and the problem was that the fan was blocked and didn't rotate.

All that sounds to hardware problem...

Simply, no. People are so crazy when it comes to understanding mining. Mining is a game of effiency. You would not want to overheat or damage a card in any way. All of my cards were run UNDERvolted and UNDERclocked. These are 350 watt cards and they never pulled more than 150 watts. They also had massive active cooling on them. They ran at 40C, always. I have tons of these cards from all sorts of brands, some of which were never used. They all behave the same way, they can't all be broken and there is no reason they would be broken anyway. I've seen the same thing on other people's machines when running the software I run.

[debianxfce]

Sure, with AMD opensource driver you just need to wait several weeks, then to compile amd's wip kernel from developer's git and download some firmwares from unknown ftps and noone wil guide you during process. Looks like you have a memory of goldfish.

No problems when you can do other things while git is cloning and ryzen 5 1600 is compiling my custom kernel in a minute. You can play games and listen to the music at same time. Do the same without X running while installing nvidia blob. Firmware files comes from freedesktop git and everything is documented. Nvidia does not even tell what kernels are compatible. Closed source drivers cheat in benchmarks too. Communist should inspect and fine nvidia instead of VolksWagen.

The Amd wip kernel is updated every week, clone it at Saturday. Rolling back is easy with grub. Rolling back with nvidia drivers is a way more complicated process.