Windows 10 vs. Linux 4.15 + Mesa 17.4-dev Radeon Gaming Performance

[boxie]

Could you redo the EXACT test with a ryzen 1700 stock or something.
I think this may be cpu bound to quite a large extent and if you want like 60 fps gaming the results do not differ that much % wise, still a lot of performance left on the table for sure though.

the Ryzen 1700 Stock runs at 3.0ghz (boost 3.7ghz) - the 8700k which has better IPC runs at 3.7ghz (and boosts to 4.7) - the 1700 will get fewer FPS

but hey, all these games seem to run at playable frame rates under linux, so I am happy

[boxie]

Third possibility: Neither. DX->OpenGL and DX->Vulkan are translation layers that always add inefficiencies. Windows drivers also probably have profiles for those games, so the Windows driver might not be running in its default state.

Would renaming the binary avoid the driver optimisations for the game? or do they do game detection in other ways?

[tiwake]

For the time being not at all I own a RX 580 8GB and on ubuntu 17.10 with kernel 4.13 and MESA 17.13 and its like I am using a 3yo entry level card... frame-drops are crazy avg FPS is low and generally its a waste of money if you just use linux... stick to nvidia they have way better drivers than whatever else is available for AMD cards.

Huh, sounds like all the same reasons why I dropped my nvidia 970 in favor of an AMD RX 580, only more so because its more usable in everything not-3D.

[toojays]

Huh, sounds like all the same reasons why I dropped my nvidia 970 in favor of an AMD RX 580, only more so because its more usable in everything not-3D.

Yeah, different expectations I guess. I've got an RX 480 and am very happy with it. Sure DX:MD had some annoying framedrops in some parts but I played through the whole thing at 1440p and had fun. Sluthy, it depends on what you're upgrading from and what you want to do with it. If you haven't upgraded in ages you it might be worth trying to get a second hand RX 480 for $300 or so. The 580 is only like 10% better than the 480. For now I think the Vega is only worth that extra money if 4K is worth it to you, and maybe not even then . .

[Sluthy]

Sluthy, it depends on what you're upgrading from and what you want to do with it. If you haven't upgraded in ages you it might be worth trying to get a second hand RX 480 for $300 or so. The 580 is only like 10% better than the 480. For now I think the Vega is only worth that extra money if 4K is worth it to you, and maybe not even then . .

Well my current system has a Q6600 in it so that's a clue It originally had a HD3460 or something in it, now it's got a 750Ti that a workmate gave me for free (running on Windows). I could put that Ti in my new Ryzen rig (which I'm hoping to go all-Linux on), but that would involve either proprietary drivers or Nouveau which kinda-sorta works with the 750.

I only game a little bit and at 1080 at the moment (2x1920x1200 monitors + 1x1080p TV) so I'm not sure how powerful I need or would like to go. Although I know I'm curious about trying watercooling (I want to see how far that 1700 can go) and I know the RX5xx series is a bit of a no-go because of no reference designs for blocks.

[humbug]

Shockingly bad results for Linux.

There are games that do not take a performance hit when played on Linux. Croteam's Talos Principle in Vulkan mode on the public beta now performs within 5% of windows dx11. Valve's dota2 in Vulkan mode on Linux is as fast as windows, and even their openGL isn't too far behind. So what makes these games different from the other Linux ports?

[Ground0]

It is nice to see the Performance Comparison of Native Application... The Ported Games are in a good shape i, not best but good... I had a GTX 660Ti(2GB) in one of my computers but it did work that bad, i replaced it with a R600 series graphic card (2600XT 256MB) so desktop and everything also games works correct (Including a correct rendered Valhalla Hills :-) ). And no id did not installed the NVIDIA closed Drivers ... Kernel is the newest as possible :-P. Now only the computer at working Place has a Geforce 950 in it who works as a highress Desktop/Developer machine....

[papajo]

Huh, sounds like all the same reasons why I dropped my nvidia 970 in favor of an AMD RX 580, only more so because its more usable in everything not-3D.

I dont believe you Nvidia drivers may suck for the linux comunity because of nvidia keeping it all closed and stuff but for the end users they are far better its almost ridiculous to compare them with the AMD drivers or the opensource ones...

The only negative in nvidia drivers for the end user is that you see the loading screen in low resolution (and thats probably because the drivers deny some low level access of some sort that its needed to display better graphics before the OS is loaded)

in E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G else nvidia drivers are better for the end user in terms of consumer experience (so ideology about free software etc aside)

They update frequently, they update automatically you dont even need ppa's... You know how I got vulkan support on my nvidia card? I just did once the driver was available I just had vulkan support...

You know how I got vulkan support for my RX 580? I waited like two months at least AFTER the nvidia drivers had it and had to manually install the packs myself through the terminal...

Shadowplay (NVEC)is available in linux (although you have to download manually some packets)
Relive (AMD VCE ) is still not supported..

You want sound over HDMI with your RX 580 ?? huh good joke... Nvidia had it since ever..
heck with nvidia drivers I can even just monitor my graphics card temps and fan speed on their graphical window I dont have to trust the terminal "sensors" command which always seems to show the same temp and fan speed while I hear different fan noises coming out of the box...

And the performance... OMG its sucks... Its bellow any standards... the benchmarks you see here are by installing many things manually custom (and unstable) kernels custom firmware etc

If you just used the latest supported driver for ubuntu with the latest supported kernel your FPS will be like 50% the FPS you would get with the windows driver... at best...

And its not only that the average FPS is low... no.. its doesnt stop there.. the framedrops are horrible too!! your game even if it has high FPS will jitter A LOT... never did so with nvidia cards.

I literally score 70 FPS avg in the Tomb raider bench when the graphics are set on NORMAL 1080p...and its a 2013 game... on high graphics I have seen even 12 FPS for a big chunk of the game..

On the other hand with nvidia I had small differences compared to windows and if I used Vulkan (for likes like doom for example) the difference was 0

[M@GOid]

I dont believe you Nvidia drivers may suck for the linux comunity because of nvidia keeping it all closed and stuff but for the end users they are far better its almost ridiculous to compare them with the AMD drivers or the opensource ones...

The only negative in nvidia drivers for the end user is that you see the loading screen in low resolution (and thats probably because the drivers deny some low level access of some sort that its needed to display better graphics before the OS is loaded)

in E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G else nvidia drivers are better for the end user in terms of consumer experience (so ideology about free software etc aside)

They update frequently, they update automatically you dont even need ppa's... You know how I got vulkan support on my nvidia card? I just did once the driver was available I just had vulkan support...

You know how I got vulkan support for my RX 580? I waited like two months at least AFTER the nvidia drivers had it and had to manually install the packs myself through the terminal...

Shadowplay (NVEC)is available in linux (although you have to download manually some packets)
Relive (AMD VCE ) is still not supported..

You want sound over HDMI with your RX 580 ?? huh good joke... Nvidia had it since ever..
heck with nvidia drivers I can even just monitor my graphics card temps and fan speed on their graphical window I dont have to trust the terminal "sensors" command which always seems to show the same temp and fan speed while I hear different fan noises coming out of the box...

And the performance... OMG its sucks... Its bellow any standards... the benchmarks you see here are by installing many things manually custom (and unstable) kernels custom firmware etc

If you just used the latest supported driver for ubuntu with the latest supported kernel your FPS will be like 50% the FPS you would get with the windows driver... at best...

And its not only that the average FPS is low... no.. its doesnt stop there.. the framedrops are horrible too!! your game even if it has high FPS will jitter A LOT... never did so with nvidia cards.

I literally score 70 FPS avg in the Tomb raider bench when the graphics are set on NORMAL 1080p...and its a 2013 game... on high graphics I have seen even 12 FPS for a big chunk of the game..

On the other hand with nvidia I had small differences compared to windows and if I used Vulkan (for likes like doom for example) the difference was 0

I recently got a loan on a GTX 970 from a friend to check the stuttering I am getting on American Truck Simulator. Yeah, that problem stopped. Dead Island could be played, instead of the crash I got before on Radeonsi. And F1 2017 do not crash on KDE running on X-org (strangely to me it only runs on Wayland, go figure)

The rest of the experience? Your "in E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G else" did not come true at all. For the first time (in a long time) I got problems using Alt-Tab on a game in Linux. The performance on the other games? Pretty much the same if not worst (the 470/570 being naturally faster independent of drivers). Desktop animations did not look as fluid as opensource Intel/AMD drivers. And Liam from Gaming on Linux (he has a 980Ti), from time to time is complaining about problems I do not have on games while running Radeonsi.

Not to mention the strange situation of GTX 10XX users without video acceleration while using the Nvidia driver...

My take on this? You have to love Nvidia a lot to buy a card to use on Linux theses days. Sure, in 2016 it was the other way around, but from now on, your overall experience looks smoother on the opensource side of the things.

[papajo]

Running stock ubuntu with the latest hadrware is the same as runnig win 3.11.

That's not true at all and I see no reason why it should be unless you say that ubuntu is an garbage distro (despite being one of the most popular ones) and very ancient and incompatible compared to other OS. Last but not least why are nvidia cards ok with my software configuration?

Your software setup sucks, dear beginner, and I have posted instructions for correct software setup 1000 times to this site. I got 70 fps avg with TR2013 DX11 version, wine-staging, rx460 gpu and Carrizo X4 845 cpu. Hdmi audio works now with 4.15-rc1 kernel, just tested with my RX560. You did not know what are amdgpu firmware files, so look at the mirror before you blame amd gpus and learn to read English.

You told me that you were getting 110 FPS now its 70? anyway what you told me is to change the kernel,change firmware and generally change components that are unstable and not officially supported in ubuntu and I think there is a reason why that is so.

Also xfce sucks as a shell I dont like how it looks and how it works.. its like windows 95


Your post was very helpful though for people that want to try that stuff out and I am one of them, I also mentioned though that what I say goes for Ubuntu 17.10 the latest supported stable kernel and the latest supported stable drivers and also mentioned that the benchmarks here are taken with different and unstable versions of the kernel the drivers and firmware.


So your post is invalid.