Radeon vs. RadeonHD Fighting Continues

[deanjo]

the headline would have read "XOrg decides to go with Radeon".

And the natural first question to that that pops into everybody's mind is "Why?"

Maybe you haven't been around long enough to remember how politics wound up forking XFree86 and what a fun time that was.

[Louise]

It's pure politics that they dropped it, not technical in nature at all, thus why it was reported as such.

That may be, but the headline speaks for its self.

If emphasis was politics, the headline would have read "XOrg decides to go with Radeon".

[deanjo]

Exactly. That's the problem.

no doubt Phoronix have the best articles about KMS, GEM, and all that stuff, so I am really sad if "this" is the new Phoronix.

I liked the old better, where the software and hardware was in focus.

It's pure politics that they dropped it, not technical in nature at all, thus why it was reported as such.

[Louise]

The article is more about people butting heads then one group deciding to drop the others contributions.

Exactly. That's the problem.

no doubt Phoronix have the best articles about KMS, GEM, and all that stuff, so I am really sad if "this" is the new Phoronix.

I liked the old better, where the software and hardware was in focus.

[deanjo]

See my post about emphasis on "fight" rather than "decision" in the headline.

Did you read the latest article about Linus and David Arlie? Once again, they put wanted to put emphasis on the fight. And more over, if you had Linus' reply, you would see, that Phoronix tried to make Linus look like an asshole, when in fact he commited Arlie's patch.

The article is more about people butting heads then one group deciding to drop the others contributions. The Xorg mailing list all to often reads like a couple of second graders fighting over a PSP and puts FOSS development in very bad light because of their actions. I don't think that we have the last of this debate.

[Louise]

That's not setting up a fight. The fight already started and phoronix had nothing to do with it. This isn't a case of Phoronix emulating Fox News by picking sides and running with it. This little article is of great interest in particular to many members of this site as it does directly effect them. With opensource you have to be willing to take the good, the bad and the ugly. You want secrets behind doors then support your favorite closed source developer.

See my post about emphasis on "fight" rather than "decision" in the headline.

Did you read the latest article about Linus and David Arlie? Once again, they put wanted to put emphasis on the fight. And more over, if you had Linus' reply, you would see, that Phoronix tried to make Linus look like an asshole, when in fact he commited Arlie's patch.

[deanjo]

Competition is always the best. Linux wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for Windows.

Intel and AMD need each other to drive innovation.

XBox 360/PS3/Wii there is an enormous interest in pushing the technology.

And the same goes for the gfx drivers. If we want good drivers, there need to be more than one.

Gnome/KDE. The list goes on.

It can sometimes come to a point that splitting up those resources ends up being a detriment and you end up with mediocre competitive products, neither excelling as well as they could have, had the powers that be joined forces.

[Louise]

a classic reason why open source sucks balls!

FFS it took so much for AMD to give away the crown jewels in order to conform to the FOSS politics and now the code monkeys still cannot get a driver out? So much for FOSS whining about closed-source hardware specs, the real reason for poor hardware support is clearly the nature of FOSS itself - too many chiefs, not enough indians!

GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!

Competition is always the best. Linux wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for Windows.

Intel and AMD need each other to drive innovation.

XBox 360/PS3/Wii there is an enormous interest in pushing the technology.

And the same goes for the gfx drivers. If we want good drivers, there need to be more than one.

Gnome/KDE. The list goes on.

[deanjo]

That is setting up a fight =( You could just as well have written "get the pop corns, and enjoy the fight at this link. In the left corner..."

That's not setting up a fight. The fight already started and phoronix had nothing to do with it. This isn't a case of Phoronix emulating Fox News by picking sides and running with it. This little article is of great interest in particular to many members of this site as it does directly effect them. With opensource you have to be willing to take the good, the bad and the ugly. You want secrets behind doors then support your favorite closed source developer.

So much for FOSS whining about closed-source hardware specs, the real reason for poor hardware support is clearly the nature of FOSS itself - too many chiefs, not enough indians!

That's always been one of the pitfalls of FOSS.

[an0n1m0us]

a classic reason why open source sucks balls!

FFS it took so much for AMD to give away the crown jewels in order to conform to the FOSS politics and now the code monkeys still cannot get a driver out? So much for FOSS whining about closed-source hardware specs, the real reason for poor hardware support is clearly the nature of FOSS itself - too many chiefs, not enough indians!

GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!