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  • #31
    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    Extinction is wildly unlikely as the phenomenon is VERY slow,
    By "very slow" here I mean for human timescales.
    By geological timescales it is fucking fast, as geological ice ages took like millions of years to happen or to disappear.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

      Fast events have happened here without human action.
      Yup one outlier certainly disproves all common sense.

      http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/ - it's happening and humans are doing it. Every major scientific foundation worldwide acknowledges it. All scientific data gathered from the onset of the discovery has added to it's merit. There are no longer any meritable debates on whether or not humans are causing it - they are now about how to fix it.

      On one hand its sort of a marvel that humans as a race are now powerful enough to have global/planetary impact (aka terraforming) but on the other hand we are reverse terraforming on our current course slowly making the climate in general more volatile/less stable, and less suitable for non-co2 consumers.

      Look at the thick atmosphere of Venus - loaded with co2 and significantly hotter than Mercury (which is closer to the sun) - same greenhouse effect slowly building up on Earth.

      "The atmosphere of Venus is very thick and is about 90 times more massive than Earth's atmosphere. It is mostly carbon dioxide gas (about 96%), with some nitrogen (about 3%) and a very small amount of water vapor (0.003%). Venus also has a thick layer of sulfuric acid clouds."

      In the end it won't matter whether humans in general are smart enough to understand the why/how of climate change or necessarily agree on what is causing it. In the end humans will work to re-stabilize Earth by reducing our bloated footprint or we won't.

      Spoiler alert: we already are. Investments in solar/wind/renewable's in general have all skyrocketed in the past decade. Wind production in the US has already overtaken Coal.
      Xen0sys
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      Last edited by Xen0sys; 31 October 2016, 04:28 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
        You did post info that ends at 1950.
        You probably missed the white arrow with "current level" on its right.

        Same tactics is used by the communist that you are believing. Climate is a lot of more that CO2 levels.
        Yeah. There is also a significant amount of hot air coming from people with an open mouth claiming total bullshit.

        On one hand its sort of a marvel that humans as a race are now powerful enough to have global/planetary impact (aka terraforming) but on the other hand we are reverse terraforming on our current course slowly making the climate in general more volatile/less stable, and less suitable for non-co2 consumers.
        Species fucking up their own environment isn't a new thing. On a local scale it's easy to find occurrences of this.
        On a global scale, most mass-extinction events were caused by unbalanced ecosystems initiating a massive cascade-failure that escalated on a near-global scale. The asteroid was just a refreshing change in an otherwise boring sequence of such same events.

        And it starts very early. See for example the Great Oxygenation Event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event
        Where cyanobacteria, anaerobic life forms (i.e. oxygen is a poison for them), generated a ridiculous amount of oxygen well before photosyntesis was a thing (photosynthetic organisms also breathe so they need oxygen, they could not evolve with a nitrogen-only atmosphere, a chicken-and-egg problem), but then got largely wiped out by that oxygen.

        If you live in non-cold areas, global warming is a bad thing. So move to a country where isn't a long winter and stop whining.
        fixed.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
          No it is not fixed. When your environment is too hot and dry, move. That humans and animals have done thousands of years.
          That isn't solving the problem, given current trends, even poles will eventually become "too hot and dry", and well before that you end with significant overcrowding in polar regions.

          Then what? A full planetary evacuation is a bit complex to pull off even if you do have the tech to make decent space stations.

          In Siberia there is a lot of room.
          Siberia = Russia = Putin = nopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopeno penopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenope nopenope.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by debianxfce View Post
            If you live in cold areas, global warming is a good thing. So move to a country where is a long winter and stop whining.
            This statement is so selfish, moronic and oblivious of the reality it's hilarious. Climate change is going to effect hot & cold areas and result in greater extremes in both directions with less stability between.

            Think of it this way - we currently have 4 seasons. As climate change gets worse, Earth will slowly lose it's intermediary seasons and we will just have longer harsher & more chaotic winters and summers.

            Yes eventually Earth could go full Venus and then there would be no more cold but that is way beyond what humans will allow to happen. Instead, many species will go extinct, many societies will be damaged, and a huge amount of unnecessary and avoidable debt will be brought on to clean up all the damage. That is unless the pace to recovery is not continually accelerated.

            If you're gunna troll at least slip some misinformation in there to make it harder to debunk.
            Xen0sys
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            Last edited by Xen0sys; 01 November 2016, 02:33 PM.

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