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And yeah, I was asking about the state of the open source drivers, since ATI doesn't seem to want to fix it anytime soon. From what I remember, the R600 3D documents should have been handed in by now, right?
Bridgman should be one of those working on it... he should know at what point they are
If you are talking about flickering when watching a DVD, make sure you are not running Compiz and using opengl to render the video. Compiz and opengl applications don't work yet for any card (Nvidia or ATi etc...)...
Yes, my point indeed was about my older NVIDIA 8800GTS having compiz enabled AND playing videos without flicker/tear and stuff, but my 3870 fails to do that, even with opengl (although at least opengl plays as it should with compiz disabled). However, I bought ATi for a reason, and I'd really like that xv extension finally supported.
And yeah, I was asking about the state of the open source drivers, since ATI doesn't seem to want to fix it anytime soon. From what I remember, the R600 3D documents should have been handed in by now, right?
So, when are we getting a functional driver with 3D support? I mean, since ATi is possibly never going to fix the flickering/tearing bugs in newer cards...
If you are talking about flickering when watching a DVD, make sure you are not running Compiz and using opengl to render the video. Compiz and opengl applications don't work yet for any card (Nvidia or ATi etc...)...
So, when are we getting a functional driver with 3D support? I mean, since ATi is possibly never going to fix the flickering/tearing bugs in newer cards...
I'm not suggesting that advocating of open source software isn't constructive, however might I humbly suggest you attempt to be a little less abrasive in your approach
Comments like this are at best childish and most likely offensive to someone. I know/hope you're directing this at 'Novell' as a corporate entity and not the individuals who might work on the open drivers in your proposed grand scheme of ATI openness but if you want people to see things your way you might try to take the high road and focus on the facts and issues rather than resorting to statements like that.
I certainly respect your view. It has it's place and it's purpose. However so does does mine, so the least you can do is respect the views that I hold. You dont have to agree with them, but acknowledge that they have a valid place.
And by the way statements like that are --exactly-- what need to be said, and they need to be said directly to Novell by ATi right now. Today. And that is putting it mildly to say the very least.
Again, thanks for totally derailing this thread when there are plenty of others about the subject you guys are discussing.
Now that you guys are getting personal and basically just attacking each other, it'd be a good time to drop it in this thread and move it into a new one before you get this one deleted.
If you think advocating open source software in the face of corporate pressure isnt constructive, then you've still got a thing or two to learn.....
I'm not suggesting that advocating of open source software isn't constructive, however might I humbly suggest you attempt to be a little less abrasive in your approach
We have a Walmart in my town, and right out in front by the big sliding doors there exists three concrete "stoppers" They are about 4 feet tall, and about 8 inches wide in diameter. Tell Novell to find one and sit on it, then once it's tightly entrenched in there ass, have them spin around on it over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over.......
Comments like this are at best childish and most likely offensive to someone. I know/hope you're directing this at 'Novell' as a corporate entity and not the individuals who might work on the open drivers in your proposed grand scheme of ATI openness but if you want people to see things your way you might try to take the high road and focus on the facts and issues rather than resorting to statements like that.
So why are you making such a fuss about drivers if you only care about the end result. You should try diverting some of the energy you're putting into arguing about all of this into contributing something constructive.
If you think advocating open source software in the face of corporate pressure isnt constructive, then you've still got a thing or two to learn.....
personally I couldnt give two shits if I got a triangle drawn on screen by 30 lines of obfuscated code or 5000 lines of hand written assembly. It doesnt matter one tiny little bit to me as long as I have a triangle on the screen....
So why are you making such a fuss about drivers if you only care about the end result. You should try diverting some of the energy you're putting into arguing about all of this into contributing something constructive.
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