AMD Gallium3D Marks Huge Win: Beating Catalyst In Steam On Linux Game

[kwahoo]

As soon as those newer games provide a means for being able to provide automated and reproducible benchmarks...

Here http://steamcommunity.com/app/330710...96522118520223

• Can be automated
• Reproducible, a run is performed by bot
• Can be driven by LUA script
• Free (till 11 Dec) as beer for all, later only full version of the game will be available
• Works without glitches on all Linux drivers
• Pretty demanding and modern

[Michael]

Here http://steamcommunity.com/app/330710...96522118520223

• Can be automated
• Reproducible, a run is performed by bot
• Can be driven by LUA script
• Free (till 11 Dec) as beer for all, later only full version of the game will be available
• Works without glitches on all Linux drivers
• Pretty demanding and modern

Where's any script? (or at least any proper documentation) to describe then how to be able to start the game, run the demo, and then quit?

[Hamish Wilson]

Yawn... how many times have we been through this?

Seconded.

All of these people complained back when it was all Quake engine games being used, so Micheal eventually managed to get the Valve games working in decent enough shape for benchmarking in order to silence these critics, and now they complain that he is not testing Civ5 or Borderlands 2...

You people will simply never be happy. It is just like how when Valve actually came to Linux you all acted like they were suddenly no longer AAA anymore in order that you could keep complaining that there were still no mainstream game titles on Linux...

[89c51]

This is pretty good news, since it suggests that the open source drivers are exactly where they should be in a functionality standpoint.

If by functionality you mean play games then yes because there are still stuff missing/bugs in other areas.

[profoundWHALE]

Look, don't mean to be rude, but I don't give a crap about these old ass games.
[snip]

You should try a little harder.

But please try some newer games. I don't give a rats ass about TF2 and Counterstrike. Those already ran decently on Gallium provided your card wasn't vintage.

Borderlands 2? Civ 5? Witcher?

Just joined, only 3 posts and you aren't talking with very much respect. These are as up to date as you can get, so I don't even know why you're complaining.

[Veto]

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[DMJC]

Excellent.

Congratulations Gallium3D/Open Source Radeon developers you are doing excellent work.
The Intel/Nouveau and Radeon Gallium guys are brilliant. Here we have a company with hundreds of millions of dollars development budget, getting it's ass kicked by probably a team of maybe 3-5 full time guys and maybe another 10 hobbyists. That's before we even get to talking about the AMD Catalyst Linux vs Windows performance. I hope we continue to see these benchmarks increasing, my bet is that Open Soruce/Free Software development philosophy is going to trump commercial developers. Mainly because Intel/ATI/NVIDIA open source projects are sharing code/implementations so they're able to develop a lot quicker than the closed source counterparts.

[johnc]

my bet is that Open Soruce/Free Software development philosophy is going to trump commercial developers. Mainly because Intel/ATI/NVIDIA open source projects are sharing code/implementations so they're able to develop a lot quicker than the closed source counterparts.

You would lose that bet.

[kwahoo]

Where's any script? (or at least any proper documentation) to describe then how to be able to start the game, run the demo, and then quit?

Good base is here http://serioussam.wikia.com/wiki/Ser...nsole_Commands , but the new engine (SE4) has some new command. Docs are available directly in game, just start typing and use Tab key.

You need something like this:

bmk_bAutoQuit=1
cht_bEnableCheats=2
cht_bAutoTestBot=1
bmkStartBenchmarking(0, 60)

[zanny]

Don't know why people keep asking for Witcher or the Aspyr games. PCGamingWiki has already shown they do not have anything close to performance parity with Windows on Nvidia, and if that is not the case it just usually means a poorly optimized engine.

Unless Civ 5 / Borderlands got engine optmizations (and they will probably will) to give us even a hint that the engines are anything close to well performing, then benchmarks on them might be worth something. And Witcher 2 will never not be DirectX wrapped with a proprietary translation layer, so I can't see how those benchmarks would be useful at all.

The reason is that you cannot really hold drivers accountable for terribly written OpenGL. If engines are poorly implemented, they might have tremendous performance disparity between drivers, but that might just be because, say, Catalyst has internal logic to mitigate the poor implementation, designed specifically for that game, but we can't know that.

For better or worse, Xonotic remains probably the most optimized OpenGL game on Linux (at least from source review, Unigine might be good too) and that means it produces the best "real world results", assuming you can tax the GPU enough running it to keep it at framerates that matter. If you are benchmarking it at 300+ fps it does not really mean anything.