R600g AMD Evergreen Geometry Shaders Proposed

[pingufunkybeat]

I'm going to cast a vote for "Thank you Mr. Airlie and Mr. Girlin for your work on this.", if I ever meet you, I should like to buy you beer.

+1

Also, I love it how the drivers keep improving, yet the moaning stays the same. First it was "we have no 3D, nothing works, this sux", then it was "we have GL, but no DPM, no UVD, this will fry my bgalls, this sux". Then it was "We have full OpenGL, full DPM, full UVD, full performance, but it does not yet work on my specific 10-year old card, this sux".

Haters will hate. The rest of us have virtually fully-features, fully supported OPEN driver instead of fucking around with hundred-megabyte blobs with each kernel upgrade and black screens when it fails.

[[Knuckles]]

You can't really expect anything from the volunteers. For example, I was asked about r300g, but since I have no such cards, what could I do?

Surely you don't expect volunteers to go purchase card X to please you.

If you think you'll have time to work on it, i'd be glad to ship you an extra X1300 that I have
PM me if you're interested.

[V10lator]

So, HD2000, HD3000 and HD4000 series take the middle finger ONCE AGAIN, while HD5000+ which is still supported by catalyst gets better open source support too? Why i am not surprised?

Read the damn article:

I don't think r600/r700 support is that hard, but I haven't had time to look at it at all

So stop blaming Dave for not having time. For Evergreen and more he already needed months cause his time is so limited! So instead of blaming why not give your time to implement the missing pieces?

Right now DPM for my 3870 is highly problematic even though for modern gpus is on by default.

Maybe because the hardware is weaker? What do you think all the "DPM fixes" we see in every kernel release cycle are for?

UVD is non-existent. Even though for modern gpus it is not.

Yea, blame the devs for the stupidity of the lawyers... you know that the UVD support we have right now took months (or was it years?) for passing the legal review?

And now, geometry shader support comes first for HD5000, even though it is not needed. Anyone needing it uses fglrx right now...

Yea, cause I would ever touch that piece of shit (fglrx) which crashes my computer and, last time I tried it, didn't even got 3d to work at all... There are more r600g users on Evergreen+ than you think!

PS: My comment is not about Airlie, obviously he is not AMD.

He's the one who enabled support on Evergreen+, not AMD itself... So now you're blaming AMD for Daves work? That doesn't make sense at all.

But back to topic: Thanks Dave for your work! Hopefully you'll get the last little bugs out soon so we see it in Mesa 10.1

[agd5f]

The preference for newer gpu series in the radeon driver is a generic phenomenon. It is not simply about these patches from Airlie.

In general, the radeon devs, AMD and non AMD alike, focus on newer gpus, and forfeit the older ones, even though the older are without catalyst support.

It is this focus that i don't like.

It's the same focus all vendors take. There are a number of GL extensions that older Intel chips support in hardware that the open source Intel driver doesn't currently support. In both the Intel and AMD case, the source is there, the documentation is available, and there are developers you can talk to.

[justmy2cents]

I'm going to cast a vote for "Thank you Mr. Airlie and Mr. Girlin for your work on this.", if I ever meet you, I should like to buy you beer.

+1 and i raise it to a sixpack for work on virgil3d. that would be my most anticipated project related to 3d

[justmy2cents]

I am sorry, did i hurt your feelings?

It is not "trolling", it is a legitimate complaint.

if i would be in arlied shoes, i'd need to ponder damn hard on why the fsck do i care and provide ppl with my work just to get attacked for doing so. there is a reasonable criticism and there is unreasonable one. at the end of the day all that oss developer can do is work on projects he is interested in with following project guidelines as best as he can. only really self absorbed users can think that his whims are so important that someone will stop doing everything they like doing just to please them. where is the fun in that? why bother at all?

if your beef is with amd, then put up and shut up while you go and switch vendor on a whim. it is also in your right to anti advocate their products, why not? you do need to stress out beef you have with them somehow

They won't. Customers will be avoiding their products because they hate planned obsolescence. If i wanted a more powerfull gpu or opengl4.x, i would get one. It is my right to want to stay with my hardware if it satisfies my needs.

If AMD wants to play games with driver support to force me to upgrade, i will pick Nvidia or Intel. They don't do that...

in translation... to AMD you're not a customer, you're a cost. your comment basically self excludes you from that fact. you stick with old card and don't want to buy new one. and if old one is not supported, you'll switch vendor. wth bother then? you won't buy it in any case

[whitecat]

Unfortunately "Metro: Last Light" still hangs the GPU (CYPRESS).

I'm going to cast a vote for "Thank you Mr. Airlie and Mr. Girlin for your work on this.", if I ever meet you, I should like to buy you beer.

+1
And thanks to Red Hat too.

[archibald]

I'm going to cast a vote for "Thank you Mr. Airlie and Mr. Girlin for your work on this.", if I ever meet you, I should like to buy you beer.

[halfmanhalfamazing]

Actually, far more people currently use r600g than radeonSI.

Like me. I currently own two of them in two different computers.

And that's the reason why I know that all of this will get fixed. It will happen; will just take longer, as Dave said. The amount of working knowledge is reduced, so it makes sense that it might take longer. I'm not really too worried about it.

What worries me isn't Shaders and the more "common" GPU stuff, it's features like UVD that are currently held behind an iron curtain at AMD HQ. That(as it stands now) will never happen. Now that's upsetting.

[_SXX_]

Maybe for YOU, r6xx does not matter.

But from what i recall, DPM, UVD and other code comes from AMD, not from you or any other volunteer.

It's okay that you unhappy with AMD drivers and customer service and I understand you. You can blame AMD and post feedback on their products quality anywhere you like, but what a point to post such messages on this forum? Do you understand that AMD employees who actually participate on this forum are NOT decision-makers?

I own HD6950 and stick to open source driver for about two years already and I'd prefer to get OpenGL 3.3 sooner and not later. I'm don't have any intention to use bugged crap called Catalyst even if it's "supported".

With such posts here you can only spoil the mood of devs who do hard and important work within limited human resources. And I totally sure that people who check news about open source AMD drivers are know situation with this hardware on Linux already.