Phoronix: The State Of Open-Source Radeon Driver Features
For those curious about the state of various features for the range of ATI/AMD Radeon GPUs on the open-source Linux graphics driver stack, the feature Wiki continues to be maintained...
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI think bridgman is the most informed one to tell us the answer to this question if he may: What would be technically easier for you and the linux driver team? Stabilising fglrx or getting the open source driver on par on functionality and performance with the fglrx?
By the way, there is not "one linux team" as I understand it, but two separate initiatives within the same company. So they are not even tripping on each other's toes.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostEverybody seems to be assuming that if fglrx would be open sourced all our problems will end. I don't know how big is the fglrx but if somebody drops 6 millions lines of code on you (I don't know how big fglrx is just assuming a number), you aren't exactly going to become productive with it right away. In fact most devs that already work on the open source driver would continue to do so since they already know the code and are already productive with it.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostSomebody else said that if you want to use the old 2000 3000 or 4000 lines of products you should stick to Ubuntu 12.04 not 12.10. I knew that. But most probably somebody coming to linux today will download the 12.10 since it's the latest and will find that the graphics drivers perform inadequately.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostAnother one said that why does linux have to want better market share. I've heard Torvalds saying that he doesn't like the fact that the only place where linux is not successful is the desktop. And I've heard many others saying that they would like better market share. In fact with better market share a lot of linux problems like being ignored by driver developers would end.
Also, Torvalds has not been all that friendly to blob manufactures in the past that are unwilling to work with his kernel infrastructural:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...slams-nvidia/1Last edited by Hamish Wilson; 01-19-2013, 05:44 PM.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI think bridgman is the most informed one to tell us the answer to this question if he may: What would be technically easier for you and the linux driver team? Stabilising fglrx or getting the open source driver on par on functionality and performance with the fglrx?
Everybody seems to be assuming that if fglrx would be open sourced all our problems will end. I don't know how big is the fglrx but if somebody drops 6 millions lines of code on you (I don't know how big fglrx is just assuming a number), you aren't exactly going to become productive with it right away. In fact most devs that already work on the open source driver would continue to do so since they already know the code and are already productive with it.
Somebody else said that if you want to use the old 2000 3000 or 4000 lines of products you should stick to Ubuntu 12.04 not 12.10. I knew that. But most probably somebody coming to linux today will download the 12.10 since it's the latest and will find that the graphics drivers perform inadequately.
Another one said that why does linux have to want better market share. I've heard Torvalds saying that he doesn't like the fact that the only place where linux is not successful is the desktop. And I've heard many others saying that they would like better market share. In fact with better market share a lot of linux problems like being ignored by driver developers would end.
So your "Logic" is broken please consult your Borg collective for a reassimilation to fix your brain with nano-robots.
Or get some Vulcan lessons in Logic !
These FOSS individual Anarchists will always fight back in resistance
Because they don't think that resistance is futile.
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Originally posted by crazycheese View PostHi, I am going to break the rule for just one post to you.
I too encountered exactly same situation of "stubborn management", "corporate viewpoint" and "stalled things/minds/mindsets".
The morale I got however, is extremely different from yours.
I just let the founders of iD Software explain it:
http://rome.ro/games_ddici.php
GL
Perhaps the Phoronix forums aren't for you, I'd say 4chan would be more suited.
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The open source AMD drivers are fantastic for the desktop and budget games on Wine that used to be ?50 top titles. I haven't checked the native Steam Source games yet, but these will run great.
Ofcourse they won't run Crisis 7 or whatever, but if the power management will get some much needed love, I won't even have a reason to use the proprietary drivers et al!
AMD realy has filled the last gap of complaint about Linux on the desktop for me, and I thank them for that
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Thank you for coming here and keeping us all informed Mr. Bridgman. As has been mentioned before; you have the patience of a saint (and the BSD comment was masterful!).
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AFAIK the only thing I implied was going to happen (based on what everyone is doing today) was that power management was hopefully going to improve.
I did say a couple of times that "if we did X then something bad might happen" but I also followed that with "so we aren't doing X".
Anyways, the worst I thought you were doing was maybe being sufficiently passionate about the open source drivers that you didn't always read what I typed carefully enough... or maybe I wasn't being sufficiently clear.
Hey, it's not like either of us ran over a donkey or anything
(yesterday's big news item : http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/17/donkey...swana-3355845/ )Last edited by bridgman; 01-19-2013, 01:26 AM.
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I would like to answer your request, but I feel like I need to stop posting in this thread. When the time comes for what you implied was going to happen I don't want to be the guy you can point to and say "It's because of guys like this."
I think it would be better if I stepped out of this conversation. I am truly sorry for offending anyone. And I hope that you can look past my bias and continue doing good work.
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Originally posted by duby229 View PostNo I've concluded it from all the various things you've said in this thread. My response to crazycheeze was me telling him such.
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Originally posted by bridgman View Postduby229 -- what in the world could possibly make you think I don't like the open source drivers ? The fact that you concluded this from reading crazycheese's post is a bit disturbing
I don't want to hurt your opinion further though as I said and so I'm not going to say anything more.Last edited by duby229; 01-19-2013, 12:51 AM.
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