Goodbye ATI

[D0pamine]

I'm not crying. In the end, this thread is about me having a working NVidia card and you having just a keyboard for trolling.

well done, good on you, 'applause'

i may have a keyboard for trolling but you have a small penis - FLAME WAR ON BITCH oh yeh...

[kazetsukai]

Irrelevant content ignored, removed, who cares, whatever....
[EDIT] and yeh gentoo isn't the most popular distro but its definitely mainstream,

Gentoo is exotic even in the context of Gentoo... your build can be very different depending on the hardware and compiler flags even with the same hardware. Such distros are known for impossible-to-reproduce bugs and crazy use cases that are impossible to recreate (not to mention, hardly worth the developers' time). That and you have noobs that use "uber compiler flags" that they claim to have 300 times the speed and 9000% win when they produce identical binaries. All of this translates to noise, and that's what RealNC was trying to get at. Don't pretend you didn't know what he was referring to and if you truly didn't catch it then you need to re-read his post a few times.

From a tester's standpoint, "Ubuntu XY.ZA" is an easier target to test for since they're using known binaries. This is why you see the bin/deb/rpm multirelease pattern...

<= Runs Arch quite happily

[RealNC]

I'm not crying. In the end, this thread is about me having a working NVidia card and you having just a keyboard for trolling.

[D0pamine]

Maybe you should try to express yourself more clearly. I don't see what this has to do with pubic hair.

As for Gentoo, just because it's great and we love it, doesn't make it mainstream. It's nowhere to be seen here: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

people care as much about my pubic hair and my dribblings regarding ms Palin as they do about your frustrations with your gpu... now if you have an insight on how to make them work better in some way I for one would be interested or even if you would like a bug confirming from your fellow users and even getting a petition together to fix said bug I would be up for that too but just to cry in public 'waaa it doesn't work!' just leaves me feeling like phoronix has turned into neowin or hardforums - a place to cry and flame

[EDIT] and yeh gentoo isn't the most popular distro but its definitely mainstream, ofcourse the most popular distro of all is one of microsofts but that doesn't make it good or even relevant

[RealNC]

Maybe you should try to express yourself more clearly. I don't see what this has to do with pubic hair.

As for Gentoo, just because it's great and we love it, doesn't make it mainstream. It's nowhere to be seen here: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

[D0pamine]

how can one kill that which does not live?

Oh common. This isn't "over dramatic". I'm just a user who expressed his frustration on a public forum meant for discussions around Linux and graphics hardware. I did nothing wrong. Take it for what it is, but don't go and apply the "overly dramatic" label on it.


Of course Gentoo is exotic. ATI chose not to support it. If Gentoo was mainstream, it would have been supported.

Sarah Palin refuses my calls and ignores love letters containing my pubic hair... I find this incredibly frustrating but i suppose frustration is part of life and maybe venting my frustrations on a public forum serves no purpose other than an anti-advertisement...

...and gentoo is definitely mainstream, its 10 years old and the gentoo community has arguably done more to further development of FLOSS than any other community. ATI may not even recognize gentoo exists but fglrx works fine on it as does the radeon driver and i don't have power or heat issues ..maybe because the fan isn't clogged with pubic hair

[D0pamine]

well i'm glad everything is sorted and everyone is happy now

I suppose the moral of this thread is to buy what you like based on whatever you think and GPU manufacturers are all bad because of their secrecy..

maybe the secrecy is the problem and not Xorg devs or communities

[RealNC]

So all drivers are garbage? That still doesn't justify over dramatic cries of goodbye ati

Oh common. This isn't "over dramatic". I'm just a user who expressed his frustration on a public forum meant for discussions around Linux and graphics hardware. I did nothing wrong. Take it for what it is, but don't go and apply the "overly dramatic" label on it.

Gentoo is exotic now? I'm using gentoo now and i'm not on a beach sipping a cocktail.... not even eating a bounty...

Of course Gentoo is exotic. ATI chose not to support it. If Gentoo was mainstream, it would have been supported.

[kazetsukai]

@ RealNC: Welcome to NVIDIA Land....

I've been mulling over building a couple boxes using AMD's "APU" chipsets but ultimately decided I wanted to get something done with them and went Intel+Intel/NVIDIA. NVIDIA's blob is rock solid, stable, and has bells and whistles. Bugs/features, nothing beat's NVIDIA's blob... nothing.

That being said, the blob isn't perfect. I have had ALOT of issues with NVIDIA blobs on my latest system, particularly around 2D performance. I have a NUMA box (Dual LGA1366) and that causes all kinds of memory addressing issues you don't see elsewhere. Finally things are stable/working after I've resolved several issues ( http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110418 , http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...2D-Performance ) , but at the end of the day I've vowed against buying Tyan motherboards (when your mobo manufacturer refuses to fix BIOS bugs and instead tells you to buy new RAM? Really? I reluctantly did and still saw no improvements, and noone would take responsibility for that recommendation over there!), not against buying NVIDIA hardware.

I think the hardliner FOSS people need to acknowledge that theres more to Linux than "free"- its a technically superior and practical to use. I hope NVIDIA opens up (or at least provides doc) but their implementation is the most compatible and practical at this time, so I'm going to use that for the same reasons I use Linux- its better than the competition for my needs.

Best wishes!

[evolution]

So all drivers are garbage? That still doesn't justify over dramatic cries of goodbye ati

Goodbye ATI and hello nvidia? so swap buggy wine and power consumption issues for almost jocular 2d performace and graphical corruption if you're talking blob vs blob. Neither free driver is perfect either but i'll take the radeon driver over the nouveu driver anyday given the choice.

The problem is that there isn't always a choice... there are lots of nvidia and amd gpus in existance, yes you may choose your next laptop or gpu purchase based on what driver you think is best or which company is shafting you the least but that will not help getting my sisters laptop gpu working in a reasonable and stable way.

by the way i don't have power issues with the radeon driver as far as i know - which distro are you running?

Yes, unfortunately (and you know), all linux drivers have a flaw for some reason, but proprietary nVidia, personally, is the one with less flaws. I think xorg devs should do like Micro$oft in this chapter: If they want their drivers or "blobs" to work, they should comply to xorg specifications (like Microsoft do with DirectX) or "face the consequences". In exchange, xorg developers should start to release, for instance, xorg "LTS" releases, that worked with proprietary/FOSS drivers for a longer time (1 / 2 years, for instance). So, I agree with your statement that there isn't always a choice...

Well, before I bought my new laptop, I had a toshiba A200 with a HD2600 and ArchLinux x86_64. Every time I used FOSS ATI (I tried it last time on January this year), in the place I had my graphics card I couldn't stand my laptop in my lap and I had to switch to fglrx to make things less hot. Currently I still have an ATI card (4650AGP), but for me there are still some features FOSS ATI don't provide me. One of them (as this card is on a old desktop with a P4 processor) is the need of HW video decoding, and currently, I can only use it with fglrx + mplayer vaapi. If I play a 720p/1080p video with FOSS ATI, I'm not able to watch those videos... Furthermore, when I touch in the desktop case with FOSS ATI and fglrx, I sense (subjectively) some difference in the temperature... (distro of my desktop: Chakra Linux x86)

Cheers

p.s.: Look at my previous posts too... I just don't want to be "bashed" by the decisions I've taken, ok?