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  • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    Some more FUD.

    They dropped support for 5-year old chipsets.
    And nvidia:
    http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-d...19-driver.html

    The problems with AMD opensource driver are following:
    - ultra small crew
    - development support is not connected to selling of cards(buy, don't buy - no matter)
    -- same day support will hardly ever happen(maybe same half-year support is realistic)
    - it will never reach full possible speed due to absence of close-to-hardware tools and direct communication with designers.
    - no video acceleration, probably will never appear

    If you buy a discrete card, 99,99% of people that do that, expect performance from it. Either its closed source or opensource matters maybe for 10% once they realise its either proprietary and functioning or opensource and inferrior code. Sadly, Nvidia has way better proprietary. So the decision for them is obvious.

    Untill AMD realises this. Until it decides to change it. There will be no change in amounts of cards from AMD deployed under linux.

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    • Also, just to clarify, the older chips are still supported on existing supported platforms (windows and enterprise Linux distros), just not on new kernels and X versions.

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      • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
        That's the best argument I've heard yet.

        If you use open source drivers, you kill children.
        Im in no way deanjo supporter, but cycles wasted due to bugs and inefficiency or due to botnets and viruses - are same thing - wasted cycles.

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        • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
          Some more FUD.

          They dropped support for 5-year old chipsets.
          RS690 introduced March 2007, driver support dropped March 2009. Last time I checked that was only two years.

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          • Originally posted by D0pamine View Post
            rather than pointing and laughing at the lack of X/Y/Z in free software - get coding or stfu?
            Why when there is a perfectly good blob pre-made and ready to use that offers all the features needed. Hardware works for me, not the other way around where I work for the hardware so it can start working for me years down the road and never offer the same performance as the solution presented at time of purchase.

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            • Originally posted by glxextxexlg View Post
              Pointing to a lack of support doesn't mean a person is making fun of it. A fact is a fact and if we were to put our heads under the soil like ostrichs do then why bother with computers and technology? we would shut ourselves to monasteries with pentium MMXes and linux installed with open source supported radeon 9800s.
              Yup, well said.

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              • Originally posted by pingufunkbeat
                Some more FUD.

                They dropped support for 5-year old chipsets.
                RS690 introduced March 2007, driver support dropped March 2009. Last time I checked that was only two years.
                R580 X1950XT 512 mb introduced Q1 2007, driver support RIP in March 2009. Any more hollow claims?

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                • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                  opensource "nvidia" drivers deliver 0 results.
                  radeon is delivering maybe 30% of nvidia blob results.
                  I still do not understand amd though.
                  Ummm when it comes to opencl all open source drivers are presently delivering 0 results.

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                  • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    That's the best argument I've heard yet.

                    If you use open source drivers, you kill children.
                    Hey just countering Q's claim on his own level.

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                    • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                      RS690 introduced March 2007, driver support dropped March 2009. Last time I checked that was only two years.
                      That's a glaring exception affecting a small number of people. The vast majority of products were older than 5 years at the time when the binary drivers stopped following bleeding edge X versions and kernels (they still work just fine with older software).

                      Why when there is a perfectly good blob pre-made and ready to use that offers all the features needed.
                      Becasue he cares about open source?

                      Why code KDE when there's a perfectly good Mac OSX? Why code for vim when there's a perfectly good Visual Studio?

                      There are many very good reasons for open drivers -- easier to maintain for distributions, it is LEGAL (!!!) to distribute them, they do not violate the GPL (!!!), they work with multi-screen setups properly, support kernel modesetting, work out of the box, etc.

                      These are good reasons. If you're happy with your semi-legal blob which the kernel hackers hate, the distros hate, which is basically illegal according to Linus and many others, which replaces half of your system with unknown code, then that's fine, but please to respect our wish to have a clean, open solution.

                      If our compiler is open, our kernel is open, our editors, desktops, browsers, servers and pretty much all other drivers are open, then why should we depend on the benevolence of one single company and their magical, closed, illegal blob?

                      The blob makes the developers' lives difficult. All because nvidia has secret sauce. Screw them. I can live with 50% or 75% performance. I don't want the Windows graphics subsystem injected into my kernel

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