AMD's opensource lies exposed

[mirv]

How does that make it any easier if you are still relying on the same entity that has all the specs in the first place?

Because you're not relying on just that. Hardware specs are not drivers.

[deanjo]

Because you're not relying on just that. Hardware specs are not drivers.

You still need specs to create the drivers and that same entity is writing the drivers.

[mirv]

You still need specs to create the drivers and that same entity is writing the drivers.

And what happens if that entity no longer supports the drivers? Or you have a specialised system that their drivers don't work with? You do have the option to modify the drivers yourself, or hire people to do it for you, and that's easier with open specs and open drivers.

[deanjo]

And what happens if that entity no longer supports the drivers?

It is called EOL and it still supports the products it was intended to.

Or you have a specialised system that their drivers don't work with? You do have the option to modify the drivers yourself, or hire people to do it for you, and that's easier with open specs and open drivers.

Or the more likely and cheaper route is to buy a replacement that does support what you want it to support.

[deanjo]

do you really think signing an NDA is a good idear? i don't think so.

If it gets what is needed then absolutely. The end result is what matters.

but hey its so simple you are an nvidia fanboy the nvidia way is the right way in your mind nothing to fix here you are just broken by Design.

Hey it's simple to see that you believe that everybody is out to get you and you live in a world of FUD.

[deanjo]

Here is the thing Q, in your mind you think that everything that is closed has to be crap. The truth is that nothing can be further from the truth. Many open source devs also work on closed source projects as well. With your mindset you think that their open source code is good but their closed source code is shit.

[glxextxexlg]

Here is the thing Q, in your mind you think that everything that is closed has to be crap. The truth is that nothing can be further from the truth. Many open source devs also work on closed source projects as well. With your mindset you think that their open source code is good but their closed source code is shit.

In fact the definiton of opensource by Bruce Perens clearly includes the idea that "free software and non-free software should co-exist" as described on the film "revolution OS" here (6:23 and onward):

In the field of GPU drivers, which are non-standard dedicated devices, which include high amounts of innovations and expensive engineering details, waiting for good opensource drivers and believing companies like amd that they will provide this support in the full extent like the linux community believed once:

http://press.redhat.com/2007/09/07/amd-releases-open-source-driver-for-new-ati-graphics-processors/

is nonsense. What amd did back then (financing an incomplete inferior driver called radeonhd for a time and silently leaving the scene), will happen again.

[deanjo]

sure the same dev and the same work as a cloused source product is shit. sure!

there are studies about the code quality in opensource and closed source projects and the opensource dev model win.

means the same dev and the same work is only good if the product is a opensource product.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-985221.html

"networking component of Linux is of higher quality in several ways than that of competing closed-source software. "

sure closed source is shit by Definition.

you can improve the quality of code by open up the code with an GPL or BSD license so you get more people into the circle means more people found bugs and fix bugs.

LMFAO!!! Could you point to any older of an article? Seriously, 2003? Would you care to compare other components closed vs open. Here is a couple of components just to get started that are superior in closed source to their opensource counterparts, video, audio, USB, storage I/O... the list goes on and on and on and on....

[pingufunkybeat]

No, deanjo. Open Source is ALWAYS better than closed source. There is no TECHNICAL reason for closed source, it's just that some companies refuse to open the source for selfish reasons.

The reasons not to release source include drm, backdoors, spyware, phoning home, trade secrets, exerting control over you as a customer, etc. No TECHNICAL reason.

[deanjo]

you don't get the point the point is opensource is better in an technical point of view of a customer.

That is hardly the case. The most qualified people to work on the code are usually the ones that already are (the manufacturer).

in the opensource world you can pay people hunting bugs in the sourcecode and fix bugs in the source code.

I have asked you this before, have you ever done this? You can pay people to fix/implement closed source as well. It is done all the time.

and no NDA agreemens are not an alternativ for that.

So if you are completely against NDA's then your less concerned about the issue then then you are about politics which means fixing the issue was never the actual reason for desiring a open source solution.