Will The Catalyst Driver Work On Ubuntu 11.04 At Launch?

[next9]

No if you buy commercial support of most other distros you dont get (slightly) other distribution thats the point. So they have not the priority to get opensuse good and btw if a company stands behind opnesuse (didn?t they fired all developers or just most that works on opensuse), it is novell they are traytors (not alle the working developers but the leaders of the company), that made deals with the devils (dont argue with me there because then we have to talk for ages to get to a point) you can have another oppinion. So I don?t like novell and I did not like suse so way should I not think its crap thats good enough for me

You may not agree with some of the Novells steps. I do not agree with Microsoft pact either. But You should see how many work Novell and RedHat contributed and still contribute do Opensource.

Companies like Canonical are far more evil than Novell:

http://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3904526_1/Ubuntu-Canonical-Wallow-in-Muddy-Waters-with-Contributors-Agreements.htm

Canonical contributes almost nothing, and its own Ubuntu centric projects rape the spirit of Opensource.

Which distribution do you think is the more importent for novell? the one they make money with or the one where they make no money? If they find some bugs, which distro will the first fix?

Truth is, SUSE unit (Novell) is profitable and the upstream development and opensuse community support is huge. Your Idea of fixing bugs primarily in enterprise versions is crazy, since enterprise SUSE is build upon Opensuse, and they would not sell a single copy, if their system basement (opensuse) was broken.

I meant primary the tools, because I dont want to directly modify the etc files most of the time. But I do not want such grafical tool. I mean stuff like update-grub ... in ubuntu its always update... you can like more to edit all the configs manualy or using that monster-tool yast, good for you

Ubuntu has almost none ubuntu-specific GUI configuration tools. Almost all of them you can use in every Linux distribution, so I do not understand your point.

thats simple not true, its almost absurd, because in ubuntu (standard) are no unfree binary only (propriatary) tools, and they did surely not hardcoded configs in binarys or something like that. You have maybe no simple tool like yast that has this setting, but there are distro-independent tools for that like gdmsetup.

Well as I wrote above. There are KDE based and GNOME based control centers, where you manage your desktop and system. This works in every distribution, and this is exactly what Ubuntu and Opensuse both use. Yast, which is by the way integrated into gnome-control-center in GNOME, is only o bonus to configure things, that do not have GUI configuration alternative in Ubuntu either. Thus - again, I do not understand you point.

I would like to point out one more thing. Somewhere above you wrote:

defaults (directory structure etc) is bad.

We have some standard called Filesystem Hyearchy Standard, which describes, how directory structure should work. Fedora and Opensuse follow this standard, while Debian thinks that /srv directory is something devious, thus Debian and its clones (including Ubuntu) have a little bit different directory structure. If there is some directory structure "bad", it is the Debian/ubuntu one.

[mugginz]

Ok. So how do i find some exact package for exact Ubuntu version using this tool?

You can not be serious this mare?s nest is usable tool for seaching anything!

What, you mean like http://packages.ubuntu.com/

I'd also say that http://software.opensuse.org/ didn't strike me as overly comprehensive but as I don't use the service I might of been doing it wrong

[next9]

What, you mean like http://packages.ubuntu.com/

I'd also say that http://software.opensuse.org/ didn't strike me as overly comprehensive but as I don't use the service I might of been doing it wrong

Exactly. Packages.debian.org and its clone packages.ubuntu.com is exactly the way, how should search in PPA look like. You select distribution version and package name and all packages meeting requirements are showed.

Present state of PPA search tool is completely useless.

[mugginz]

Looking back at your question

Ok. So how do i find some exact package for exact Ubuntu version using this tool?

You'd navigate to http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and search for the project you want to enquire for. Say Kdenlive.

You're then provided with a list of PPA's that package it. The one I chose for an example was kdenlive-release.

I was then presented with a list of packages contained in the PPA, your click View package details where you'd be presented with the actual package names for an exact version that you require. Further more, if you want to download the package itself you can click of the package name and he presto, it'll begin downloading.

I dunno if I'd report: "Present state of PPA search tool is completely useless."

[mugginz]

The previous post should read




You'd navigate to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas and search for the project you want to enquire for. Say Kdenlive.

[next9]

The previous post should read

You'd navigate to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas and search for the project you want to enquire for. Say Kdenlive.

That is not the same. You can not search package. You can not search package of explicit version. This PPA tool gives you back only some uncertain list of repositories.

It does not seach packages. It does search PPA repository names which is really ineffective.

[mugginz]

That is not the same. You can not search package. You can not search package of explicit version. This PPA tool gives you back only some uncertain list of repositories.

It does not seach packages. It does search PPA repository names which is really ineffective.

When I went to http://software.opensuse.org/ and did a search for kdenlive, I get a list of packages. When I searched for a particular package name, for example "kdenlive-0.7.7" and even when selecting the option "for all distributions" I don't get any results.

To be sure, I then searched on a complete package name. In this case "kdenlive-0.7.7.1-3.6.src.rpm". Still no results.

Perhaps yo can show me how to use it.

[next9]

Perhaps yo can show me how to use it.

Many multimedia packages are patent dangerous. That is why they are distributed separately through official community Packman repository (It is the same as Ubuntu universe/multiverse repositories.):

http://packman.links2linux.org/package/kde4-kdenlive

As you can see Kdenlive 4.7.8 is available.

There is a general searh tool called webpin:

http://packages.opensuse-community.org/

There you can search trough all official OBS repositories, all personal OBS repositories and packman repository altogether. As a result you receive package name, package version and repository name / link.

[mugginz]

Many multimedia packages are patent dangerous. That is why they are distributed separately through official community Packman repository (It is the same as Ubuntu universe/multiverse repositories.):

http://packman.links2linux.org/package/kde4-kdenlive

As you can see Kdenlive 4.7.8 is available.

I thought we were discussing the utility of both https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas and http://software.opensuse.org/.

For that matter, Kdenlive is available from http://software.opensuse.org/ so they mustn't feel that its status regarding patent infringement deems it inappropriate for distribution from there. That surely can't be the explanation for why I'm unable to search for "kdenlive-0.7.7.1-3.6.src.rpm" and get a result.

The problem I seem to have is that I'm unable to directly search for a package from http://software.opensuse.org/. The reason this is problematic for me is you want to assert "You can not be serious this mare?s nest is usable tool for seaching anything!" when refering to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas because "Ok. So how do i find some exact package for exact Ubuntu version using this tool?" yet when I try to do the same thing from http://software.opensuse.org/ I don't seem to be able to.

The fact that you now want to back-track and direct me to a different service than http://software.opensuse.org/ to provide me with functionality you wanted to slag off https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas for lacking suggests to me that being unable to simply "find some exact package for exact Ubuntu version using this tool?" to quote you is possibly also a same type of failure of http://software.opensuse.org/

There is a general searh tool called webpin:

http://packages.opensuse-community.org/

There you can search trough all official OBS repositories, all personal OBS repositories and packman repository altogether. As a result you receive package name, package version and repository name / link.

And if I was looking for say "kdenlive_0.7.8-0ubuntu0~sunab~maverick1_amd64.deb" I could simply type it into "teh google" and get a result. Something that your general layperson would likely be more familiar with for that matter.

[mugginz]

There is a general searh tool called webpin:

http://packages.opensuse-community.org/

There you can search trough all official OBS repositories, all personal OBS repositories and packman repository altogether. As a result you receive package name, package version and repository name / link.

I'm also having trouble finding the package "kdenlive-0.7.8-9.32.i586.rpm" from there as well.

Apart from that, the site seems to be excruciatingly slow. Perhaps it's getting hammered due to its popularity eh? And by slow, I mean multiple minutes for each search, only to be told "No results found"