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    RealNC
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  • RealNC
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    I remember "trolling" two years ago about the OSS drivers and got flamed that I should be patient since they should be ready somewhere in summer 2009. Now it's 2010 and we still have to use fglrx

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  • Kano
    Kanotix Developer

  • Kano
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    Power usage does not matter for hardcore oss ati users, nor the completely reversed point of view for video accelleration. I try to use the max possible out of a given card, therefore i allow the install of fglrx very easyly for my system (even for legacy cards). fglrx has of course huge problems with xv, so when you really need an application that has got no opengl output then you really have lost. Then you have to switch between ati oss for xv and fglrx for more demanding Linux games all the time or boot another os for games. But a strong ATI believer will just praise the current state and dream of better days.

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  • BlackStar
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    Nvidia's driver also underclocks the GPU and VRAM when it's not being utilized by default, something I haven't seen any of ati's cards to hands free in Linux.
    Fglrx downclocks just fine on Linux. My 4850-based system consumes the same amount of power between Linux and Windows.

    Power management is obviously a WIP for the open source drivers.

    Also what does a hands free have to do with power management? Last time I checked, a hands free was an accessory for mobile phones.

    Finally, nice ad hominem against Q. He's a sidux user, so don't believe what he says.

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  • damentz
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  • damentz
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    Really no one? i buy a hd3850 in 2007-11-x and no linux driver supports this card ;-) first the 2008-2 fglrx supports this card..



    Really ? i have a dream about a opensource driver i don't care about first Day closed source support.



    michaels phoronix artikel abaut the power consuming of nvidias viedeo acceleration shows to me a power consuming waste if you use nvidias viedeo acceleration...

    you can save energie if you use the CPU and Xviedeo!

    if you are green you can save the world by use the cpu and do not buy energy waste nvidia viedeo acceleration !

    read this artikle abaut the real GREEN solution: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...u_mobile&num=1



    thats works fine if you use the radeon and mesa7.7 or 7.8



    radeon is really fast exa!



    there is no new openGL game... so in real i only care abaut wine compatibility
    So, you're saying that I could replace your graphics card with a Radeon 9800 while you were sleeping and you would never know the difference until you tried to use fglrx.

    You have a dream about an open source driver, but why don't you invest heavily into AMD when they have a solution that can do all 3 without changing drivers; XRender optimizations / fast 2d (exa possibly), good AIGLX support (for desktop compositing with compiz or kde4's kwin effects), good OpenGL compatibility (play games of today, not less than OpenGL 2.0), and possibly video codec decompression or at least XVideo support.

    And also, nvidia's "power waste" when using vdpau means the GPU is being utilized. That frees up the CPU to do other things that are time critical, preventing decoding underruns, pops and clicks, frame drops, etc. On an ION net book, that's incredibly important. I would never use XV instead of VDPAU if I had the choice on that small little thing.

    Nvidia's driver also underclocks the GPU and VRAM when it's not being utilized by default, something I haven't seen any of ati's cards to hands free in Linux. There is the DynamicClocks or dynclks module parameter with the radeon module, but I don't know how effective that is at the moment.

    EDIT: just learned that Qaridium is a sidux fan - probably explains his tendencies to lie so blatantly and intensively like the rest of the sidux forum commoners as if they have a piece of helpful information that no one else can find. In other words, fabricated knowledge.
    damentz
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    Last edited by damentz; 07 January 2010, 10:42 PM.

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  • deanjo
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  • deanjo
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    Originally posted by cjr2k3 View Post
    I read that XBMC uses Mplayer, by using your script XBMC can use VAAPI too?
    Only the Xbox version of XBMC uses mplayer. XBMC for Linux, XBMC for Mac OS X, and XBMC for Windows versions of XBMC do not use MPlayer, they rely on XBMC's in-house DVDPlayer video-player for all video playback.

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  • Kano
    Kanotix Developer

  • Kano
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    No idea, my scripts just installs a global mplayer in a really new version. smplayer is just a frontend and usually does not use vaapi options, so use it from commandline. You can also try to use

    -demuxer lavf

    when the default mplayer demuxer does not work.

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  • cjr2k3
    Phoronix Member

  • cjr2k3
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    Originally posted by Kano View Post
    @cjr2k3

    You should get yourself a bluray drive and appropriate software to put it on hd. You may find huge m2ts on other places too, but small clips are not worth checking cpu usage. When you look at Youtube hd 1080p the max. bitrate I found was less then 20 mbit, less than 4 average. Bluray allows up to 48 mbit and most movies use over 30 mbit average bitrate. Action scenes easyly hit the max bitrate allowed. You may want to look here how to test vaapi:

    http://kanotix.com/index.php?module=...MplayerScripts
    Thx Kano.

    I got a MKS movie encoded with: x264_L4.1
    I tried to play it but every single player just crashed... (VLC, Mplayer, Totem, SMPlayer). Then I instaled XBMC and got the movie played but all the colors got messed up (Even for new movies, had to restart XBMC).

    I read that XBMC uses Mplayer, by using your script XBMC can use VAAPI too?

    I'll test it later tonight anyway.

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  • Panix
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  • Panix
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    Really no one? i buy a hd3850 in 2007-11-x and no linux driver supports this card ;-) first the 2008-2 fglrx supports this card..
    Hey, you didn't answer or respond to damentz' point at all.

    I think he had a good point. I don't have an 'advanced' or recent ATI card but I can just guess what it may be like with the various 3D features based on the Radeon X.Org pages that have been posted and my experience with my older Radeon card.

    Imho, the majority of the video card buyers will want working drivers pretty quick. Especially if you just bought a $200 or $300 card. You might tolerate some issues or problems but if it becomes a case of continuous issues or unstable/flaky drivers, the user will be more concerned with what they want to do than some company's project.

    If Nvidia decides to replace code to achieve a working driver that allows more features, the general user will probably accept that even if it's not ideal. They're able to do what they want to do. Although ATI's method might be ideal and better in principle, if you, the user runs into a constant battle of trying X, Y and Z in order to use their hardware and on top of that, features aren't optimized, they might become frustrated (understandably so) so not too enthusiastic anymore about the 'ideal way.'

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  • Kano
    Kanotix Developer

  • Kano
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    @cjr2k3

    You should get yourself a bluray drive and appropriate software to put it on hd. You may find huge m2ts on other places too, but small clips are not worth checking cpu usage. When you look at Youtube hd 1080p the max. bitrate I found was less then 20 mbit, less than 4 average. Bluray allows up to 48 mbit and most movies use over 30 mbit average bitrate. Action scenes easyly hit the max bitrate allowed. You may want to look here how to test vaapi:

    http://kanotix.com/index.php?module=...MplayerScripts

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  • damentz
    Senior Member

  • damentz
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium
    yes but you can't stop me buy my favored card ;-)

    yes its not all perfect yet...

    but in 2011 i will buy a R900 based card with or Without a driver.

    kano why do you don't respect the freedome of Choice ? in your world there is only 1 'Nvidia'

    Today in my world the difference amd vs nvidia is only the viedeo acceleration on codexes i do NOT use.....

    i wan't a viedeo-acceleration based DRM-Copyprotection-Adobe-Flash world domination thats Evil!

    the nvidia solution and the UVD2 Solution is pure Evil!

    TCPA Chip in your Brain on youtube on google on youporn and HDCP in your HDMI monitor and HDCP in your grafikcart...

    o wow!........ Pure evil!
    Ok, you make yourself and AMD fan boys look bad. No one would ever buy a card without driver support - it would have less value than a stapler and perform slower than a 10 year old graphics card with feature complete 3D/2D support. Not to mention the power waste would be hideous .

    If you don't care about video decoding on the GPU, there are many other things think about... like desktop compositing with KDE4, 2D desktop acceleration (XRender), OpenGL game compatibility - or how well all of those 3 work when their features are all being used concurrently.

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