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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by nomadewolf View Post
    Don't 'mining edition' cards have no display ports?... Unless you want to mine with those, they are useless...
    Or did you buy a used card?
    it was new and it has standard ports, i'm using dp right now. the only difference is packaging like hdd in packet

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  • Tomin
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    Originally posted by nomadewolf View Post
    Don't 'mining edition' cards have no display ports?... Unless you want to mine with those, they are useless...
    Some of them have just one connector.

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  • nomadewolf
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    i also live in europe, though not in eu. i bought 8gb 580 for about $230 several weeks ago. but it was some "miner edition" without box
    Don't 'mining edition' cards have no display ports?... Unless you want to mine with those, they are useless...
    Or did you buy a used card?

    I'm not looking for a used card, unless i know the person and i know they didn't use it for mining... which i don't know anyone...

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

    That was then. I have run Debian testing/sid for 4 years without any serious break. Using synaptic to update whole system is more practical than using pacman or apt, we are using graphical desktops now.Arch Linux do not have optimised AMD kernel. You need to compile it anyway, when you want to remove unused drivers and have a non debug 1000Hz timer kernel. Ubuntu is made from debian testing and sid, so compatibility exists. You can use Oibaf ppa with Debian testing/sid safely. Just choose the corresponding ubuntu version.
    I update my desktop, AUR and all, with a GUI; pamac-gtk3. That said, from time to time I create my own AMD staging kernels/pkgbuilds with Greysky's GCC patches and other random stuff...but you can compile the AMD kernel from within the GUI with its defaults (or the defaults the package maintainer chose...not sure which honestly), just search the AUR from within Pamac and pick it. I was about to click post, saw pamac-tray showing some updates, & one happens to be the AMD kernel. You're right, we are using graphical desktops now.

    I'll admit that I've been using either Arch or Antergos for at least 8 years now with both XFCE and KDE. My experiences with Ubuntu/Debian blending 9 or 10 years ago probably isn't the same as it once was much like Arch problems people may have experienced in the past aren't the same as they once were.

    Does any distribution actually provide the AMD kernel in its repos?

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  • pal666
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    Originally posted by nomadewolf View Post
    I live in Europe, so we get sucked for every euro cent we have...
    No way we can get the card at that price here...
    Only when US citizens stop buying those cards, the leftovers will drop the price in Europe...
    i also live in europe, though not in eu. i bought 8gb 580 for about $230 several weeks ago. but it was some "miner edition" without box

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  • nomadewolf
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    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Go on ebay - you can get them for very cheap and in good condition now that miners are trying to get rid of them.
    I'm not buying a miner's card!!!
    They can choke on them, for all i care!...

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  • nomadewolf
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    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    I live in Europe, so we get sucked for every euro cent we have...
    No way we can get the card at that price here...
    Only when US citizens stop buying those cards, the leftovers will drop the price in Europe...

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

    Mainline kernels and Mesa are buggy. Bug fixes and latest features are in the AMD drm-next-4.20-wip kernel and Mesa git. If you still have bugs after trying the latest software code, make a bug report. My distribution uses the latest code.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKJ-IatUfis
    Debian Testing with Ubuntu PPAs and kernels from source....really? That's asking for trouble.

    Why not suggest Antergos or Arch with the mesa-git and llvm-svn repos and a single AUR package for the kernel? That's what I do sans the mesa-git and llvm-svn repos (running amd-staging-drm-next-git...I prefer stable release packages and stable repositories and mesa-git and llvm-svn require the testing repositories so I rarely use them).

    Edit one file to add the llvm/mesa repos and testing repos (pacman.conf), sudo pacman -Syu, pacaur -S amd-staging-drm-next-git (or use pamac with its GUI for every step), reboot, done.

    IMHO, that's a lot safer than mixing packages from different distros with manual compiles and kernel installs. Everything this way is all from the same OS/package tree and handled with package managers (Antergos directly uses Arch repos with an Antergos repo that has some easy-mode packages).

    I ran Debian Testing for years and updates would break it every month or two. I would not recommend that setup to anyone, ever. Especially so since it requires mixing in Ubuntu packages.

    Antergos, OTOH, has been running flawlessly for 3 years now with both XFCE and Plasma desktops and my only issue has been the ZFS module building before SPL...running zfs 0.8.0 so that isn't a problem any more

    My distribution uses even latester code...if that's something to brag about...

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  • dungeon
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    Originally posted by humbug View Post
    read my previous post again.
    I read it already, but dunno what else to answer other than to guess like this:

    Originally posted by humbug View Post
    Vega has a revised pixel engine introducing the Draw-Stream Binning Rasterizer (DSBR.) This reduces unnecessary processing and data transfer on the GPU which helps to boost performance and to reduce power consumption. Think of it as tiled rendering with the benefits of immediate-mode rendering. The whitepaper says this even: " In the case of "Vega" 10, we observed up to 10% higher frame rates and memory bandwidth reductions of up to 33% when the DSBR is enabled for existing game applications, with no increase in power consumption." Where is that?
    Its a driver thing and since they used there "up to up to" vocabular, that also mean for some apps also might be nothing or even worse then that probably is enabled for some apps via profiles. I guess, on these cases which are clearly bottlenecked by bandwidth.

    I don't know details so i might be even wrong here, but especially if engine is in state revised that might also still have some degradations somewhere, worse perf or some glitches, etc... and since this is not pure tile-based renderer, then they don't put it by default enabled everywhere, but per case by profiles

    Certainly 10% and 33% does not mean it is that much faster nor it saves so much everywhere, since there was a keyword up to used
    Last edited by dungeon; 30 September 2018, 11:54 AM.

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  • humbug
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    Originally posted by dungeon View Post

    So why you care about what bigger inflated chips do then . If you want same price, that R9 290 had launch price of $399 is class of Vega 56 as that also have the same launch price, you would see a lot of improvments between these two

    Or if you are interested in Navi, just wait for a Navi of the same price 5 years later and you will be satisfied also i guess Or if you want Navi of much more then you would need to pay more for class more, there is no other way
    i want to ses RTG doing well in the market. Not just for my personal need but for the good of the whole ecosystem. That's why i care.

    read my previous post again.

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