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  • juno
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    Originally posted by msotirov View Post
    I'm not so sure. If they move Polaris to 12nm that alone could be a nice performance boost with the old chip design. Vega is a completely different market segment (mid- to high-end), so not really a true Polaris successor.
    I was talking about Vega architecture, not the specific Vega10 GPU. That is not a different market segment, it's just newer tech. Ryzen APU (Raven) have Vega IP, you won't get anything more low-end than that.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by xiando View Post
    Converted to USD local prices
    I understand there are some regional variations, but don't the same conversions roughly apply to Nvidia products, wherever you are?

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  • xiando
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    Current Newegg pricing (in stock, sold by Newegg, and not open box or refurb):
    Converted to USD local prices are $363.78 for the RX 580 4GB and $420 for the 8 GB.
    The cheapest Vega 64 is $818 and the cheapest Vega 56 is $908 (yes, that's $90 more than the Vega 64 for the 56).

    See now why I said AMD's got nothing worth buying locally? They don't. It does appear that the situation is a whole lot better other places, $270 for the 1060 6 GB vs $238 for the RX 580 8 GB makes the RX 580 an obvious choice. At $420 it's.. not.

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by xiando View Post
    Locally AMDs just dead in all dGPU segments, not just VEGA. They have nothing worth buying, zip, they ain't there competing.
    Current Newegg pricing (in stock, sold by Newegg, and not open box or refurb):

    Nvidia
    Model Price
    GTX 1060 (3 GB) $220 ($200 after MIR)
    GTX 1060 (6 GB) $270
    GTX 1070 $380 ($360 after MIR)
    GTX 1070 Ti $400
    GTX 1080 $450 ($430 after MIR)
    GTX 1080 Ti $650
    RTX 2080 $790

    AMD
    Model Price
    RX 580 (4 GB) $225
    RX 580 (8 GB) $238
    RX Vega 56 $400
    RX Vega 64 $500 ($470 after MIR)

    Originally posted by xiando View Post
    What would you rather buy if binary blob or not doesn't matter and you just look at performance numbers,
    [I assume we're talking about gamers...]

    It depends. At the lower end, RX 580 is sort of a no-brainer, since it's competitive and more RAM could be useful.

    Vega 56 vs. GTX 1070 Ti becomes a harder decision, but Vega is still in the running, especially if you've got the PSU for it. On the other hand, it's tempting to stretch another $50 ($30) and go for the GTX 1080.

    Vega 64 vs. GTX 1080 is also a bit tricky, but there are some games that favor Vega 64, and you can always hope that improves as more games take advantage of growing fp16 support (which is essentially lacking from the GTX 1080).

    Then again, if you can stretch to $650, a new GTX 1080 Ti can be yours. The cheapest RTX 2080 is $790, which is quite a gap.
    Last edited by coder; 25 September 2018, 08:35 PM.

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  • riklaunim
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    Originally posted by xiando View Post
    Locally AMDs just dead in all dGPU segments, not just VEGA. They have nothing worth buying, zip, they ain't there competing. What would you rather buy if binary blob or not doesn't matter and you just look at performance numbers, a Vega 56 or a 1080ti? A RX580 or a Nvidia 1070?
    I have R9 Fury and a Freesync display. Kind of no options right now. Vega 64 isn't much better, especially for the upgrade price, while use 1080Tis are way better at price/performance minus freesync. Hope that rumored Polaris will turn out to be much bigger than RX580 and becomes RX 690

    Still used Radeon Pro Duo show up from time to time at much lower prices than originaly they were worth - kind of interesting, even though it's crossfire. (and winter is comming).

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  • xiando
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    Originally posted by riklaunim View Post
    dGPU Vega is dead. Barely available and expensive. Some shops have Vega 64 above RTX 2080 price.
    Locally AMDs just dead in all dGPU segments, not just VEGA. They have nothing worth buying, zip, they ain't there competing. What would you rather buy if binary blob or not doesn't matter and you just look at performance numbers, a Vega 56 or a 1080ti? A RX580 or a Nvidia 1070?

    Looks to me like AMD is currently having supply issues (even though the mining boom is essentially over) while NVidia has a significant oversupply of Pascal cards. AMDs basically one level up in price in every price-bracket (RX580 should compete against the 1060, not 1070, and so on).

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  • coder
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    Originally posted by riklaunim View Post
    HBM didn't got mass adoption as of yet. Seems to expensive and doesn't seems to give noticeable practical benefits vs GDDR5X and GDDR6.
    We were just listing their "firsts".

    Anyway, it does have worthwhile benefits - just not at consumer price points and workloads.

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  • ms178
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    That was surely about HSA. I think it never quite caught on like they were hoping.

    That said, more apps are certainly using GPUs than back then. These days, web browsers, image editing programs, spreadsheets, and probably most programs that do a serious amount of numerical computation (and don't need much precision) employ GPUs.
    Yes, I was thinking about HSA, and I thought of APU +dGPU acceleration in common programs (using a single source file and automatically distributing parts of an application to the best processor to do the actual computing). If I am not mistaken AMD is still on the path that general purpose GPU computing is the better way forward than wider vector units for many workloads. But I guess the ecosystem in both hardware and software is not quite there yet. I hope there will be a new push for it when Gen-Z and related technologies are more widespread. There was also a blog post of the HSA consortium which mentioned advancements of their Chinese chapter which were supposed to be incorporated into a future revision, see: http://www.hsafoundation.com/resolvi...ous-computing/ But I would very much like to hear about AMD's plans to incorporate these advancements in future desktop and HPC computing.

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  • riklaunim
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    Originally posted by coder View Post
    Don't forget HBM. Fury had it long before Nvidia launched the P100. And Nvidia has never offered it in a consumer card, while AMD has given us two generations of it.
    HBM didn't got mass adoption as of yet. Seems to expensive and doesn't seems to give noticeable practical benefits vs GDDR5X and GDDR6.

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  • riklaunim
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    Originally posted by msotirov View Post
    Just FYI, the cheapest available Vega 64 in Germany is half the price of the cheapest available GTX 2080. (449 € vs 839€).
    Best prices yes - but you have to be looking for them. One of biggest Polish shops barely has any Vega and that what is listed - is listed at ridiculous price.

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