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AMD's Raven Ridge Botchy Linux Support Appears Worse With Some Motherboards/BIOS
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Originally posted by cybertraveler View PostIs this a pattern with AMD? Initial Open Source support is there, but incomplete and buggy. We have to wait some months for everything to bake. Vega graphics was like this.
Originally posted by cybertraveler View PostIf the above pattern is true it's a shame, but tolerable for me.
Originally posted by cybertraveler View PostI could even start a crowd funded bounty to get it fixed.
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Originally posted by haplo602 View PostWell ... I have the HP Envy x360 with Ryzen 2500u ... there is one driver that actually works. ONE. And there is no official AMD driver, only the HP one
I don't know of a single tier-1 OEM that wants to invest in testing generic drivers - they all want "their own driver" (typically one which supports all the hardware THEY are shipping this cycle) and generally they only want Windows support, at least for laptops and all-in-ones.
That is slowly starting to change, but emphasis on the slowly. Dell is now offering a "developers edition" of one of their laptops pre-loaded with Ubuntu LTS, but for now that is limited to a single Intel-based design.
I suspect one of the reasons OEMs are biased so strongly towards Windows is that the stable API allows them to test and ship a single driver at launch and have it stay usable for the life of the product, while supporting Linux would require constant re-testing of new drivers each time the evolving ABI required an update.
The obvious solution for this is generic hardware and generic drivers, but most OEMs believe that differentiation and vendor-specific features are essential for them to succeed in the market. I don't believe that customization is actually required any more - IMO people make buying decisions based on things like build & display quality and support, not vendor-specific customizations in the SBIOS.
BTW all of the above applies to laptops and AIO's, but does not apply to the same extent to mobos and processors sold into the channel.
I was a bit surprised by the problems that Michael has been seeing since mobos and their SBIOSes tend to follow reference designs fairly closely, and I *think* the same applies to VBIOS (will check).Last edited by bridgman; 19 February 2018, 02:42 PM.Test signature
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Originally posted by zoomblab View PostI am glad I didn't wait for raven ridge when I built my Ryzen system a couple of weeks ago. I considered to do so but I have been burned with my older Radeon 7870 which IMO has always been in eternal beta support level, plus I don't like the way AMD has went with their multiple drivers that never work 100% properly. So I got a Ryzen 1700 with an 1050 Ti. A bit more expensive combination with closed driver but you know what? It works perfectly and also I didn't have to upgrade half of my OS stack to get it working!
AMD people, I do appreciate your hard work and support for Linux BUT please consider to put the end user experience at the center of your software strategy and try to be competitive with what Nvidia offers in that respect. For me open source is a plus but is not the end goal.
And i do have Steam and play games.
The distro i use is Mint 18.3
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Originally posted by FirstPersonBSOD View PostWe would not have deal with this mess Linux had stable driver ABIs
Originally posted by FirstPersonBSOD View Postwithin the same major release (similar to FreeBSD's driver model).
Originally posted by FirstPersonBSOD View PostI know Linus and Co. will instantly reject any proposals for stable kABIs,
Originally posted by FirstPersonBSOD View Postif you want solid day-one support for new consumer devices similar to what Windows users have been enjoying for years
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Originally posted by Djhg2000 View PostThe best case scenario would probably be development staying in git but with regular backports to LTS. Unfortunately I seriously doubt AMD has a large enough Linux team to make that happen.
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Originally posted by bridgman View Post
Well, we do have some pretty awesome C generators. We call them "developers"Last edited by duby229; 19 February 2018, 02:33 PM.
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