NVIDIA Releases New Public Vulkan Beta Driver, Includes 4 New Extensions

[artivision]

Terms as NV simple mean the first one who did it and nothing else. There is no difference in specs between vendors not with OGL and not with VK either. There may be some difference in some lower level things under OGL but those don't have something to do with OGL it self.

Also the most logical DE to use today is XFCE. Plus discuss things that aren't really that important (like wayland) means nothing, i prefer to discuss a D3D11 state tracker.

[bug77]

Sure you can use X forever and with Xfce. Some low educated software testing people use X-wayland wrappers to slow things down and have more bugs. There are far more native X apps than native wayland apps.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/Applications

A gamer does not use wayland.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gamin...ayland_gaming/

X and Xfce does run in a rasperry pi and a pentium III computer, wayland desktops like gnome3 and kde do not.

You can use whatever you want, but when GTK will support both X and Wayland, having one or the other unused means your toolkit is bloated. Or are you planning on using custom GTK builds that only support one protocol?

[MoonMoon]

Why there is no gnome3 desktop iso file here:-)
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/s.../amd64/iso-cd/

Because, as every somewhat informed Debian user knows, the ISO-image with Gnome 3 on it won't fit on a CD, you need a DVD for that. If you have to use dishonest tactics to make your point you don't have a point in the first place.

[Guest]

Thanks to RedHat and Airlie that there is no hdmi audio and freesync support in the amdgpu mainline kernel driver and causing a massive amount of work for Amd developers. Nouveau has tons of duplicate code and assembler language mixed in the C code, but Airlie let that live in peace. Now he is developing RADV, like a baby he changes his mind to support or not Amd graphics. Wannabee Amd driver developer he is, like the whole RedHat Gnome camp that wants to be like microsoft. Remember win8 and gnome3....

A Red Hat employee is the creator of XFCE and still a XFCE contributor. Red Hat does the majority of glib/gvfs/gtk+ development which XFCE users. If you hate Red Hat this much, don't use XFCE.

Also maybe you shouldn't use Xorg at all considering Red Hat is a major contributor to Xorg.

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/?qt=author&q=redhat

Some of us have been using Linux only for close to two decades and only because we find it convenient in our workflows. You just seem to just have a unhealthy obsession with Linux.

[dungeon]

Default Debian installation image is netinstall multiarch, that is neither CD nor DVD nor it have DEs on it. Most people should use that one and pick at the installation steps whatever they want.

There are other images of course for people with special needs, smaller things like from debootstrap, mini.iso... all the way up to BDs

You can use whatever you want, but when GTK will support both X and Wayland, having one or the other unused means your toolkit is bloated. Or are you planning on using custom GTK builds that only support one protocol?

Sounds better to not install gtk3 at all to me, not even qt . If someone really don't want bloat he shouldn't install any toolkits and there is no way around it, as using general purpose binary OS which also target wide audience, more or less means accepting bloat

I think that modern sharable bullshit diarrhea really require antivirus

[Guest]

Wayland in gnome3 and kde has some missing features and glitches. Xfce developers are so smart that they do not touch that shit.

Xfwm4 developer Olivier fourdan (also founder of Xfce) is a major contributor to wayland and xwayland. So yeah, they 'touch that shit' :P

[dungeon]

Xfwm4 developer Olivier fourdan (also founder of Xfce) is a major contributor to wayland and xwayland. So yeah, they 'touch that shit' :P

These who wear a hat can't really talk with hat off, they have a media for that

[Guest]

Olivier needs money and Xfce is developed without him. Not all people like their work and I would not be happy producing shit that redhat does. Can't you read the news, no Olivier Fourdan here:
https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/log/?ofs=300

He does contribute to xfwm4 which is the window manager/compositor. That's the component which may eventually get Wayland support (if that even ever happens).
I don't use Wayland myself since it doesn't work properly with NVIDIA and likely never will. But don't you think that it is weird that you mostly post to flame Red Hat and Gnome? Apart from the humorous and entertaining factor, do you actually think you are going to "deflect" people from Gnome/KDE to Xfce? It would be very disillusion if you did.

Edit: Also this fake picture https://i.imgur.com/bvPHBtg.png irrefutably proves you switched to KDE

[eigenlambda]

I was kinda hoping for some description of what these features are in the comments. Is it time for phoronix to move to some variant of slashdot-style threaded comments with technically interesting and technically informative annotations given to comments?

[Danny3]

Would be awesome if you people living in dark caves could eventually understand that extensions aren't vendor-specific, that they are not a bad thing and are actually what allows the API to move forward as good ones are implemented by all and eventually end it the spec.

We get a random caveman telling something like the above every other thread about Vulkan extensions, it's getting annoying.

If the extensions aren't vendor-specific, the why are they called with Nvidia prefix VK_NV_* ?
Doesn't that mean that they are supported / present in their (Nvidia's) drivers only?