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  • #31
    Originally posted by MoonMoon View Post

    Because, as every somewhat informed Debian user knows, the ISO-image with Gnome 3 on it won't fit on a CD, you need a DVD for that. If you have to use dishonest tactics to make your point you don't have a point in the first place.
    So gnome3 is bloatware, it does not even fit to a 650MB media. Gnome3 uses more RAM too to achieve the same functionality. Boo Gnome.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

      Wayland in gnome3 and kde has some missing features and glitches. Xfce developers are so smart that they do not touch that shit.
      Xfwm4 developer Olivier fourdan (also founder of Xfce) is a major contributor to wayland and xwayland. So yeah, they 'touch that shit' :P

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      • #33
        Originally posted by hussam View Post
        Xfwm4 developer Olivier fourdan (also founder of Xfce) is a major contributor to wayland and xwayland. So yeah, they 'touch that shit' :P
        These who wear a hat can't really talk with hat off, they have a media for that

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        • #34
          Originally posted by hussam View Post
          Xfwm4 developer Olivier fourdan (also founder of Xfce) is a major contributor to wayland and xwayland. So yeah, they 'touch that shit' :P
          Olivier needs money and Xfce is developed without him. Not all people like their work and I would not be happy producing shit that redhat does. Can't you read the news, no Olivier Fourdan here:
          https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/log/?ofs=300
          Last edited by debianxfce; 06-12-2017, 08:14 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by debianxfce View Post

            Olivier needs money and Xfce is developed without him. Not all people like their work and I would not be happy producing shit that redhat does. Can't you read the news, no Olivier Fourdan here:
            https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/log/?ofs=300
            He does contribute to xfwm4 which is the window manager/compositor. That's the component which may eventually get Wayland support (if that even ever happens).
            I don't use Wayland myself since it doesn't work properly with NVIDIA and likely never will. But don't you think that it is weird that you mostly post to flame Red Hat and Gnome? Apart from the humorous and entertaining factor, do you actually think you are going to "deflect" people from Gnome/KDE to Xfce? It would be very disillusion if you did.

            Edit: Also this fake picture https://i.imgur.com/bvPHBtg.png irrefutably proves you switched to KDE
            Last edited by hussam; 06-12-2017, 03:52 PM.

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            • #36
              I was kinda hoping for some description of what these features are in the comments. Is it time for phoronix to move to some variant of slashdot-style threaded comments with technically interesting and technically informative annotations given to comments?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by hussam View Post
                That's the component which may eventually get Wayland support (if that even ever happens).
                Exactly, if that even ever happens. Why continue this shit talk...

                Originally posted by hussam View Post
                switched to KDE
                I have tested Kde on bare metal in my computer and it boots and shutdowns very slow with a ssd. There is no freely configurable Whisker menu, only 3 static menus.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
                  Would be awesome if you people living in dark caves could eventually understand that extensions aren't vendor-specific, that they are not a bad thing and are actually what allows the API to move forward as good ones are implemented by all and eventually end it the spec.

                  We get a random caveman telling something like the above every other thread about Vulkan extensions, it's getting annoying.
                  If the extensions aren't vendor-specific, the why are they called with Nvidia prefix VK_NV_* ?
                  Doesn't that mean that they are supported / present in their (Nvidia's) drivers only?
                  Last edited by Danny3; 09-09-2017, 03:31 AM. Reason: Spelling

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Helios747 View Post

                    My dude AMD also has their own Vulkan extensions lmfao
                    AMD created Vulkan, they can have whatever they want in there.
                    Besides AMD is open source friendly unlike the green assholes.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
                      If the extensions aren't vendor-specific, the why are they called with Nvidia prefix VK_NV_* ?
                      Doesn't that mean that they are supported / present in their (Nvidia's) drivers only?
                      The name just means that NVIDIA made that extension. You can look here https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/
                      and see for example this NVIDIA extension https://www.khronos.org/registry/vul...xternal_memory
                      IP Status
                      No known IP claims.


                      (IP = Intellectual property)

                      Also there is this extension made by Google https://www.khronos.org/registry/vul...display_timing
                      that does not have any GPUs of their own.

                      So these additional extension are free for all to use/implement/support. These are NOT vendor-specific extensions.

                      But many of these extensions (maybe not the Google one) are hardware-specific so you won't see them supported by other vendors unless they have or add similar hardware. This happens because their hardware is different, so that extension makes no sense on their hardware, not because there are licenses or IP or patents (same as with many OpenGL extensions).

                      Vulkan is lower level than OpenGL and GPU hardware is wildly different. It's normal to see some hardware-specific extensions that remain confined to a vendor's GPU, as that's the point of Vulkan in the first place.

                      See this post https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...312#post974312 (or others from him in the thread for a more in-depth explanation.

                      AMD created Vulkan, they can have whatever they want in there.
                      Besides AMD is open source friendly unlike the green assholes.
                      Don't post bullshit, AMD created Mantle which was no less proprietary than Physix.
                      Vulkan was created by Kronos, a multi-vendor consortium, by taking ideas and maybe some implementations from Mantle, but also DirectX 12 does a similar thing.

                      Also please explain how a vendor-specific extension is less bad if it is from AMD. Vendor-specific for the sake of being vendor-specific is bad, regardless of company.

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