NVIDIA 364.19 Linux Driver Stabilizes The Wayland & Mir Support

[pal666]

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayla...driver_support Nvidia driver support is already half way trough added to muter and most likely will be there for GNOME 3.22/Fedora 25 release.

did you read it? 50% is nvidia release. it is not needed, nobody is working on it and nobody will, it was posted before nvidia's eglstream patches were shot down on wayland ml

Doesn't mean they ignore it because it is important for their users.

no way to install nvidia driver in official repo is my definition of ignore

Practical reality means Nvidia binary driver's support for Wayland will be way forward for it for foreseeable future

well, it is what nvidia slaves want, but it is not reality. in reality fedora does fine without nvidia windows shit

That's how open source works

exactly: no nvidia windows shit in fedora repo

devs themselves don't really know how to solve issues Nvidia has as app level hasn't standartized way to know capacities of drivers, etc.

devs know nvidia's way is not going to work, that is enough for them to know

Nvidia disagrees.

nobody cares https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g

[pal666]

Yes, they will. End of discussion.

no they will not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
End of discussion.

[pal666]

The success of Wayland will depend on proper graphics driver support.

The success of Wayland is happened fact

If one of the biggest manufacturers is not supported, people won't buy a new card, instead they will just stick with Xorg or don't use Linux at all.

what are you smoking? biggest manufacturer goes to fuck itself, people will use nouveau

[pal666]

Apply the weston patches Nvidia wrote and voila, a wayland compositor on these drivers. So yes, you *can* technically run a wayland compositor on these drivers, the tech is there. That the tech is different from what compositors currently use does not suddenly make this tech not be there.

lol. with enough patches you can turn linux into windows and run it on any windows driver. patched compositor is not necessarily still wayland or still working as intended

[pal666]

Google and other manufacturers, who focus on embedded devices, won't have a problem with simply adding the necessary code to support the Nvidia driver.

they won't have a problem using other hardware and letting nvidia fuck itself. that is why nvidia does some support of nouveau for tegra

[Gusar]

Well that is where my point of view differs. It was the Wayland guys who decided to design their architecture in a way that it can't be used by proprietary drivers. They had the vain hope they could force Nvidia into opening up their drivers. But that is not a pragmatic approach if you only got such a low market share.

Nvidia doesn't need to open up their drivers to implement GBM, just like they didn't need to open them up to implement DRM/KMS. So I don't know where you got this part from. It's even less clear where you got the part from that the Wayland design was made explicitly with the goal of trying to get Nvidia to open up, so please provide some references for this claim.

The open source devs told Nvidia two years ago at XDC why they don't think EGLStreams is the way to go. And Nvidia knew of GBM at that time, because it's not like GBM is a new thing, it's been in development for years, and being open source, everyone (including Nvidia!) could follow and even join its development. But Nvidia went with EGLStreams over GBM anyway.

[pal666]

Well that is where my point of view differs. It was the Wayland guys who decided to design their architecture in a way that it can't be used by proprietary drivers.

it can be used by proprietary amd drivers. it can't be used by proprietary nvidia windows shit, but that is only nvidia's fault

They had the vain hope they could force Nvidia into opening up their drivers

nobody cares for that. documenting hardware is enough

. But that is not a pragmatic approach if you only got such a low market share.

linux has bigger marketshare than anything else. linux devices with graphics drivers are sold in billions each year. you are hallucinating

[pal666]

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayla...driver_support Nvidia driver support is already half way trough added to muter and most likely will be there for GNOME 3.22/Fedora 25 release.

my answer got lost, here is shorter one. it is same as redhat is supporting upstart. it is not. 50% is "nvidia claims it released some shit with wayland support" part, redhat part is 0%

[Gusar]

i could link you some old stuff with redhat "investigating" upstart. will it make redhat switching from systemd?

it is same as redhat is supporting upstart. it is not.

You really don't know what's PID 1 in RHEL 6, do you?

[pal666]

It was the Wayland guys who decided to design their architecture in a way that it can't be used by proprietary drivers. They had the vain hope they could force Nvidia into opening up their drivers

btw, amount of tinfoil used by nvidia stockholm syndrome slaves is hillarious. do you know that wayland's first production use was non-desktops with proprietary drivers?