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  • #51
    NVidia is in position where they can say "here is the option to make it work with wayland - use it or not, we don't care", then just wait and see how everyone implements it anyway.
    Instead they are trying to explain why they want it this way and maybe change something to make it better, yet most of the whiners are still unhappy.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by pal666 View Post
      linux is generic, so your proprietary windows shit has to support linux in general, not some arbitrary subset of it. just like mesa supports linux in general. btw, mir will die as all other ubuntu-only projects, while wayland is already used in production for long time
      Really? Where?
      It's not even the default option on any distro till the next Fedora release, afaik.

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      • #53
        ...Linux and the involvement of Corporations. The Involvement of Corporations in Open Source poses problems, because the Corps. push their own Agendas towards upstream.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by bug77 View Post

          Really? Where?
          It's not even the default option on any distro till the next Fedora release, afaik.

          To give you a local concrete example outside of the FOSS world, here in France millions (yes, *millions*) of people are already using Wayland in their living room without even knowing. One of our largest ISPs (Free SAS, with over 6 million suscribers) distributes a internet/mediacenter/TV box thing (called Freebox Player) and this runs a heavily customized Linux with a QML interface on top of QtWayland, and this since years already.

          Can see the talk about it here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7KzJypQfG0 (jump to 14:25 to see why they chose Wayland). Can also see the list of the (L)GPL software used in it here : http://floss.freebox.fr/freebox_player/1.3.3/index.html
          Last edited by Scias; 04 April 2016, 05:39 AM.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by nasyt View Post
            ...Linux and the involvement of Corporations. The Involvement of Corporations in Open Source poses problems, because the Corps. push their own Agendas towards upstream.
            Yeah, because without intel or RedHat or AMD or Nvidia, open source would be in such a rosy place today...

            Originally posted by Scias View Post


            To give you a local concrete example outside of the FOSS world, here in France millions (yes, *millions*) of people are already using Wayland in their living room without even knowing. One of our largest ISPs (Free SAS, with over 6 million suscribers) distributes a internet/mediacenter/TV box thing (called Freebox Player) and this runs a heavily customized Linux with a QML interface on top of QtWayland, and this since years already.

            Can see the talk about it here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7KzJypQfG0 (jump to 14:25 to see why they chose Wayland). Can also see the list of the (L)GPL software used in it here : http://floss.freebox.fr/freebox_player/1.3.3/index.html
            Well, that's one box running customized software. But yes, I guess that qualifies as "in production".

            PS You French guys still need your ISP to give you a media box? Then again, I think you just recently put minitel to rest.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post
              'cept it has nothing to do with Windows anything.
              'cept is has everything to do with being same closed code for all platforms
              Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post
              fglrx and other proprietary drivers don't support it either.
              fglrx is dead, new amd proprietary driver does support it. there are no more relevant desktop proprietary drivers, so why do you put it in plural form?
              anyway this is irrelevant since if you need linux amd driver it is the mesa one, so amd is covered

              random stupid post from you, as expected
              Last edited by pal666; 04 April 2016, 08:08 AM.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                Really? Where?
                It's not even the default option on any distro till the next Fedora release, afaik.
                are you living under a rock? fedora's login screen uses wayland since f22. for desktop session you have to select wayland manually, but login screen doesn't need dnd and such.
                btw, what is this 'default' thing? kde isn't default option either on fedora, does it mean kde isn't used in production?
                and here is another production use covered by phoronix long ago http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQxMDA
                and another one https://www.automotivelinux.org/news...e-distribution
                Last edited by pal666; 04 April 2016, 08:36 AM.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Scias View Post
                  Can see the talk about it here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7KzJypQfG0 (jump to 14:25 to see why they chose Wayland). Can also see the list of the (L)GPL software used in it here : http://floss.freebox.fr/freebox_player/1.3.3/index.html
                  Thanks for sharing! Never saw that before and really helpful. That presentation was published in 2013, but seems it was held in 2011, is that really correct? Do you know of anything newer? I'm wondering if by now they're using Qt 5. Some feedback from customers would be nice as well. Most smart tvs have a super slow UI, so wonder how this works. Various bits in the presentation indicate that the UI should be really responsive.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                    PS You French guys still need your ISP to give you a media box? Then again, I think you just recently put minitel to rest.
                    UPC provides easily around 50 million media boxes all over Europe. The platform is called Horizon and the UI is super slow, the hardware uses lots of power and gets hot and switching between channels is a pain. Oh, and it doesn't work with ever television set.

                    Why do you need to go so much out of your way to dismiss the fact that Wayland is used on a device used by 4 million people or so?

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by bkor View Post

                      UPC provides easily around 50 million media boxes all over Europe. The platform is called Horizon and the UI is super slow, the hardware uses lots of power and gets hot and switching between channels is a pain. Oh, and it doesn't work with ever television set.

                      Why do you need to go so much out of your way to dismiss the fact that Wayland is used on a device used by 4 million people or so?
                      Oh, I'm not dismissing anything. I know for a fact that anyone over 50 is extremely unlikely to look even once at those interfaces. They just have the technician install the box and then do nothing more than switch channels. Thus, the "millions of users" argument does not jive well with me. But ok, there's at least one implementation in the wild.

                      Fwiw, I'm a UPC subscriber, but I only have the CI+ card.

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