NVIDIA Announces The GeForce RTX 50 "Blackwell" Series

[ssokolow]

the fear that a product is coming from china and should not come from china and should not even come from a country like taiwan who is near china is nonsense.

the china fear scam is complete stupid nonsense.
the only reason why we do not get cheap 2nm or 3nm or 4nm or 5nm chips is because there is no competition

if china would had such technology they would flood the market with dirt cheap chips.

but the best they have is a broken DUV quadruple patterning 5nm who can only produce very small chips and they have yild rates below 40% means its total garbage the costs are very high and also quadruple patterning is very slow to produce...

"Don't worry. China is behind and shows no signs of catching up for a long time."

exactly china is so much behind in that tech sector they need like 10 years to catch up to current status of fabrication nodes.

but you fear that evil china will invade Taiwan and the Taiwan themself make laws who outlaw to build any TSMC fabrication node factor with the newest generation outside of Taiwan means its against the law for TSMC to build 2nm/3nm factories outside of Taiwan::::

this law alone shows they fear competition from USA more than they fear china.

I honestly don't care. I was just responding to how difficult it was to parse what you wrote.

[creative]

At any rate spending lots of money on hardware isn't such a terrible thing if the value of what you are getting seems alright, especially if it's a hobby you feel very strong about, for me, it's not just a hobby, it's a way of life. I built my first PC before I even had a drivers license so you can only imagine what my priorities always were, cause I always loved gaming and computers.

For me GNU Linux made computers even more interesting.

[creative]

Soon in the hands of scalpers....
When I bought my 4090, I had to go through crazy processes to get one founder edition one at the official price.
That was ridiculous

That's why I didn't wait for the 5000 series. I thought the time was right and I felt it was a good time to upgrade. Plus the 4000 series is mature, there's something to be said for that.

[ssokolow]

That's why I didn't wait for the 5000 series. I thought the time was right and I felt it was a good time to upgrade. Plus the 4000 series is mature, there's something to be said for that.

*nod* The 3060 I plan to stay on for the next 10 years was almost an impulse buy when I saw that a nice, quiet single-fan 3060 was on discount for Cyber Monday, looked over at my 10-year-old GTX 750, and decided that, yes, I would like this machine to be able to do modern CUDA stuff. (I actually bought my 3060 about two months before I finally decided to replace a 2011 Athlon II X2 270 with a 2023 Ryzen.)

[creative]

*nod* The 3060 I plan to stay on for the next 10 years was almost an impulse buy when I saw that a nice, quiet single-fan 3060 was on discount for Cyber Monday, looked over at my 10-year-old GTX 750, and decided that, yes, I would like this machine to be able to do modern CUDA stuff. (I actually bought my 3060 about two months before I finally decided to replace a 2011 Athlon II X2 270 with a 2023 Ryzen.)

Forget night day upgrades you went to a whole other planet. That's a gargantuan IPC difference from what you had not to mention the increase in thread count. Yeah that was a pretty ancient processor. Before I went to an i7 back in 2017 I had a FX 8320, the wow factor was huge, that platform only lasted me 3 years though, I needed more threads so I started out on X570 with a R5 3600.

Past 15 years, Phenom II X4 945 > FX 8320 > i7 7700 > R5 3600 > R7 5800X > R7 7700X.

I think hitting middle age has had me more needy when it comes to hardware that I desire. Less need more, want. Feel that's at its end though,
unless Zen 6 is really awesome and hits AM5. Hopefully it all stands the test of time more than usual, building has gotten more stressful for me over the years, it's an extra thing I don't want to deal with. Plus I'm tired hitting teething issues concerning certain things like going X870, some annoyances I didin't deal with on X570. Too new. Took about a month to have my setup figured out. These days with modern UEFI, you are dealing with a massive encyclopedia of options to sort through, X870 blew my mind just how dense its UEFI setup menu system and options are.
Too many computers inside my computer, ones I don't have easy access to, it has become ridiculous.

[ssokolow]

Forget night day upgrades you went to a whole other planet. That's a gargantuan IPC difference from what you had not to mention the increase in thread count. Yeah that was a pretty ancient processor. Before I went to an i7 back in 2017 I had a FX 8320, the wow factor was huge, that platform only lasted me 3 years though, I needed more threads so I started out on X570 with a R5 3600.

Honestly, I'm so used to finding or writing more efficient replacement software that the straw that broke the camel's back was actually that the 3060 allowed me to putter around with Stable Diffusion and, while Easy Diffusion runs fine on an Athlon II X2 270, other Stable Diffusion stuff demonstrates just how hair-tearingly difficult it is to figure out how to transplant an AVX-less build of Tensorflow into an Anaconda environment if you've never used Anaconda before.

If I'd been running an Intel CPU from 2011 instead, I'd probably have AVX and still be running a CPU from 2011.

[creative]

ssokolow What you are talking about is a dev station than, not really an entertainment box. If it's both you have modest wants.

[mdedetrich]

That's why I didn't wait for the 5000 series. I thought the time was right and I felt it was a good time to upgrade. Plus the 4000 series is mature, there's something to be said for that.

That was a mistake, the 5000 series is a lot more cost effective than the 4000 series unless you only care about raster performance in which case you may as well should have gone AMD.

[qarium]

You are also using a professional card so that's a different story, when your job demands a certain architectural profile and set of workloads it makes sense for your work to buy such an expensive GPU. Those actually seem to be the only GPU's Apple actually uses in their workstations now. I don't know enough about the W line of AMD gpus other than they are for workstations and are pretty expensive.

if you do not install the PRO driver with such a card then you have the normal functionality of mesa...
and i do not use the PRO driver at all. with the normal opensource mesa driver you only have 2 benefits:
the VRAM has ECC error correction means single bit errors are mitigated by this
and the second benefit is the large 48gb vram.

i honestly do not promote the RRO functionality my opinion is people should not aim for this.

"I don't know enough about the W line"

i should have bought the V line instead of W line because of the Single Root I/O Virtualization (SR-IOV) functionality.

but V line has very strange set of cards long time in the 7nm area you could get normal used to cards with SR-IOV but in the more recent time the V-Line mutated into strage cards really focused on cloud customers in
the data center...

i honestly do not know why amd does not put this functionality into normal cards
the official reason is the tranistor count for this functionality is high what would increase the cost of the cards
and also AMD has the opinion that you can make vulkan SPIR-V version like the Venus driver.

https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/10/19/a-look-at-vulkan-extensions-in-venus/

[qarium]

At any rate spending lots of money on hardware isn't such a terrible thing if the value of what you are getting seems alright, especially if it's a hobby you feel very strong about, for me, it's not just a hobby, it's a way of life. I built my first PC before I even had a drivers license so you can only imagine what my priorities always were, cause I always loved gaming and computers.
For me GNU Linux made computers even more interesting.

yes thats nice. for me the same i also did build my own computers many years before i had car driving license.