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  • #71
    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Are you sure it was a child window, and not just a normal top level window? Child window means completely embedded in the parent (where the parent is a different process).
    Yes, the child processes' window contents are fully part of the host's content handling.

    The host decides at if it wants to put any such foreign content into its main window, into any of its sub windows or give the content a sub window of its own.
    It can even switch just placements at runtime.



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    • #72
      Originally posted by avis View Post
      It's not just normal, it's exceedingly rare.
      Nope, it's not rare. Simple example: Connect any external display to your notebook. It doesn't matter if its a projector or just a display on your desk, it will not match almost all the time.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by mirmirmir View Post

        People who maintain Wayland are the same people who used to maintain x11, so their biggest mistake was being the guy with the most knowledge of x11 codebase in the world 😂🤣🤣
        So it basically went like "We fucked up so bad with X that we're gonna make something new and not fuck it up as bad as we did X. (We're gonna fuck it up worse!)"

        Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
        rabcor hard reality freedesktop and x.org don't have the money to pay a maintainer a wage. Yes x.org itself is less than 40 thousand dollars in the bank account. If they paid anyone. Right you could employ a single india developer for ~3-4 years then you have zero money. Yes a single developers wage is more than the totally yearly income of x.org.

        This is why everything is in such a mess. There no money here. x.org and freedesktop basically have to beg for company hand outs and if they don't get the handouts of staff they simple cannot do particular things at all. One of those is have full time x.org X11 maintainer no company is willing to provide the handout so no maintainer.
        ​If they have 40k, they can pay a good maintainer for at least a year. Why don't they?
        Last edited by rabcor; 22 May 2024, 01:19 PM.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by rabcor View Post
          ​If they have 40k, they can pay a good maintainer for at least a year. Why don't they?
          Because X11 is now deprecated, so there's no interest on going into any sort of trouble to keep maintaining it.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by rabcor View Post
            ​If they have 40k, they can pay a good maintainer for at least a year. Why don't they?
            What quality person do you think you will get for 40k. You are unlikely to get a good one. That 40K took x.org over a decade to collect.

            rabcor reality x.org at max to be financially somewhat safe could only speed 4k per year on a maintainer.

            The reality here is a "single in india developer" you are going to look at to employ them with no oversight​ will be costing you 9 to 10K. Add on HR and so on for this person and your 40K gone in a year. Then it would be another 10 years before they could do this again if they remain existing because they would risk triggering liquidation doing this.

            Remember india has about the lowest skilled developer wage in the world. If the person is in most other countries the 40K would not last a year. KDE and Gnome maintainer is pulling down 100k+ wage per year todo the job. Yes the Redhat Xwayland paid maintainer is also on 100k+ wage per year.

            40K is basically less than 2 months of a high skilled developers time without oversight. Less than a month with the required oversight of HR department.

            The simple reality is x.org does not have the money to employ developers or maintainers. Employing staff equals having 1 staff running HR department at min to-do wages and validate work progress. Remember x.org is foundation you cannot run a foundation like you run a owner operator business where all the hats end up on one person because it is foundation type entity. The fun of needing 2 people to sign off that work was done.

            Since 2013, the IRS has released data culled from millions of nonprofit tax filings. Use this database to find organizations and see details like their executive compensation, revenue and expenses, as well as download tax filings going back as far as 2001.

            You pay 1 executive director so you have the most basic HR to pay wages that 100K per year in the USA where x.org foundation is based.

            I was doing the numbers if you were willing to break company laws to have the developer. Not breaking company law x.org is out of money to employ maintainer because before they can employee maintainer they have to employee the HR person first that results in no more money.

            rabcor like it or not 40k is not lot of money not when you want to employ skilled maintainer and 40k absolute nothing when before you can spend that money on maintainer you have create the most basic HR department first.

            Rabcor x.org does not have a HR department to pay any wages/super/employee insurance/deal with employee legal issues.....

            So this is not that x.org does not want to pay maintainers but the simple reality x.org does not have the money do it even if they wanted to. Freedesktop is basically in the same location.

            These core project are finical staved mostly stay working on donated resources and without those donated resources they would be dead inside a week.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by Weasel View Post
              Because it can't do basic shit by design, such as querying window absolute positions, or positioning them, or parenting a process' window inside of another app as a child (YES EVEN IF BOTH APPS PERMIT EACH OTHER!).

              Broken by design.
              you don't know what broken by design means

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              • #77
                Originally posted by Brittle2 View Post

                you don't know what broken by design means
                BUT if it doesnt have something right now (get it ,right NOW, as in NOW) then it must be bbroken by design. justt like gcc was broken by design UNTIL (get it ,right NOW, as in NOW) gcc adhded usegful compilation error messages INSTEAD of the abomininininination they had previously. SO it is possible for an implementation detail (like, a fact) to be MISSING right now, witch can be ADHDed into the future, and witch means (or maines) it is bbroken by design

                if i no like something it broken by design !!@

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                  Because it can't do basic shit by design, such as querying window absolute positions, or positioning them, or parenting a process' window inside of another app as a child (YES EVEN IF BOTH APPS PERMIT EACH OTHER!).

                  Broken by design.
                  ahha yes !! by theat definintion your head is broken by design !! because u donut have the knowledge (rite now) to know that SUM of what you have menshunned works rite now!! checkmate liberals

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by AlanTuring69 View Post

                    BUT if it doesnt have something right now (get it ,right NOW, as in NOW) then it must be bbroken by design. justt like gcc was broken by design UNTIL (get it ,right NOW, as in NOW) gcc adhded usegful compilation error messages INSTEAD of the abomininininination they had previously. SO it is possible for an implementation detail (like, a fact) to be MISSING right now, witch can be ADHDed into the future, and witch means (or maines) it is bbroken by design

                    if i no like something it broken by design !!@
                    How about right now as in 17 YEARS AGO!!! Not right now as in today, but right now as in DECADES ago!!

                    I mean yeah we just all have to trust that some decade from now we will finally have a desktop that works as well as Windows 95...

                    It'll happen for sure before we're dead...
                    Last edited by duby229; 22 May 2024, 09:21 PM.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by loganj View Post

                      i can't do anything about any program. but that doest mean that he is not lazy after so many years and still so many things missing. and its not like he had no previous example to know what to do or not to do. and probably how not to do it so bad as x11.

                      i think i have some rights to complain when everyone(thing) is trying to force wayland but wayland has many features missing.
                      its damn annoying to find a fix all over the internet or ask a question for something to fix and be guided to do something else that has nothing to do with your problem.
                      wow can't do anything about any program but calls someone lazy after years classic missing features? sounds like someone needs a guide on how to use google properly rights to complain? more like rights to whine lmao try figuring stuff out instead of blaming wayland for everything so annoying right? asking for fixes and getting actual advice must be tough

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