NVIDIA 530.41.03 Linux Driver Released With IBT Kernel Support, Vulkan Video

[avis]

The driver being closed source isn't bad for religious reasons, in practice it just results in it not playing nice with everything else in the ecosystem, and that people can't actually fix their problems without waiting months/years for Nvidia to care.

When I had an amdgpu, many of the issues were solved by the constant stream in updates in kerrnel and mesa, not only by AMD but by the community also.
Sometimes it meant patching your kernel, or using drm-tip/amdgpu trees, or the latest mesa-git, or providing useful bug reports and waiting for someone to eventually tackle it.

With my nvidia card, I never got actual support on forums or by e-mail. You just hopefuly wait for them to care, it sucks.

Which is not available for 99% of users out there which makes Open Source drivers no better than closed source ones.

[MrCooper]

And we now celebrate more than one year of this blocker bug that has gotten absolutely nowhere further to being resolved: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/...7#note_1746574

It's wayland and linux issue, nothing to do with nvidia.

If that was true, it would affect other drivers as well.

It's because nvidia doesn't implement the established synchronization mechanism for buffers shared between processes via dma-buf.

[bug77]

Which is not available for 99% of users out there which makes Open Source drivers no better than closed source ones.

Even if very few people actually read open source code, it does carry a real, tangible advantage over closed source: it can be used in the academia for people to study and learn. And it does open up auditing to anyone interested.
I'm not religious about licensing (it's mostly a business choice), but a a software engineer, I do prefer open source over closed. And I do learn stuff by diving into the code of various open source libraries.

[avis]

Even if very few people actually read open source code, it does carry a real, tangible advantage over closed source: it can be used in the academia for people to study and learn. And it does open up auditing to anyone interested.
I'm not religious about licensing (it's mostly a business choice), but a a software engineer, I do prefer open source over closed. And I do learn stuff by diving into the code of various open source libraries.

That's a valid concern except graphics drivers are hellishly complex and could be used "to learn stuff" by not so many programmers.

And if you decide to do it professionally Intel, AMD, Valve, NVIDIA, Apple or ARM (I must have missed someone but I don't know all the GPU vendors) will hire you anyway.

[Weasel]

I don't know what kind of trash xz they've been using in the installer, since it was larger than zstd (and they even mention it in the changelog). Personally I don't give a shit about shaving off 30 seconds when installing a damn driver. It's not like I do it 10 times per day for it to matter.

[clapbr]

Which is not available for 99% of users out there which makes Open Source drivers no better than closed source ones.

How? It's literally available to everyone.

[mdedetrich]

It's wayland and linux issue, nothing to do with nvidia.
It can't be fixed until this is implemented https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...ge_requests/90

See, this is what happens when linux graphic stack devs work constructively with NVidia. Stuff gets done and the technology behind Linux gets better

[mdedetrich]

If that was true, it would affect other drivers as well.

It's because nvidia doesn't implement the established synchronization mechanism for buffers shared between processes via dma-buf.

And thats because the established synchronization mechanism is archaic and outdated, so much so that NVidia removed this established synchronization mechanism over 15 years ago from their driver. AMD and Intel already stated that they would greatly prefer to move away from implicit sync, no graphics card manufacturer wants implicit sync in their driver and Linux is whats holding them back.

You should be thanking NVidia for providing the drive to get things moving rather than complaining about something they are never going to do anyways (which is put back implicit sync into their driver)

[bug77]

That's a valid concern except graphics drivers are hellishly complex and could be used "to learn stuff" by not so many programmers.

And if you decide to do it professionally Intel, AMD, Valve, NVIDIA, Apple or ARM (I must have missed someone but I don't know all the GPU vendors) will hire you anyway.

I was just talking about open vs closed source in general.
For more specialized or more complex things, it's still nice to have some code available, should you suddenly develop the urge to check it out.

[clapbr]

And thats because the established synchronization mechanism is archaic and outdated, so much so that NVidia removed this established synchronization mechanism over 15 years ago from their driver. AMD and Intel already stated that they would greatly prefer to move away from implicit sync, no graphics card manufacturer wants implicit sync in their driver and Linux is whats holding them back.

You should be thanking NVidia for providing the drive to get things moving rather than complaining about something they are never going to do anyways (which is put back implicit sync into their driver)

the cuckoldry was real on this one, what the fuck was this post