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  • Slartifartblast
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    Originally posted by mirmirmir View Post
    Done, it's done. Xorg officially dead
    The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

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  • mirmirmir
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    I use NVIDIA with a composited WM and I never had any issues. No Tearing, no "slowness" when dragging, everything is butter smooth at 60 fps.

    Which is why I find this beyond funny and cringe at the same time. I don't know what the fuck are you guys doing, but you're clearly doing something wrong, or using some shit settings.
    maybe you are not really observant, maybe you are blind. maybe you run at 720p so you don't see bottleneck, maybe you are the guy who use CRT monitor and says '"it is fine". idk but you are motly stupid

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  • aufkrawall
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    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    I use NVIDIA with a composited WM and I never had any issues. No Tearing, no "slowness" when dragging, everything is butter smooth at 60 fps.
    No, it isn't. Stop lying to yourself.

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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    Not a single laptop with NVIDIA at the time advertised Linux compatibility - buying them to run Linux was stupid to put it mildly. I'm not even sure any modern laptops advertise it which invalidates your entire post as well as six people who have gladly liked it.
    This statement of your not in fact true. 2012 when Linux gave Nvidia the finger there is something important.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module remember this is around in 2012 in fact way back to 2008 with Nvidia cards. What happened here Dell HP and others put particular models laptops on their Linux compatibility list there was no note that X model was only Linux compadible if you did not put the option Nvidia card in the laptop when you ordered it. 2012 may of the Nvidia Mobile PCI Express Modules when you cold booted up with Linux would start up in quite high power draw mode and stay there. That right you had to boot into windows power down the Nvidia Mobile PCI express mobule then restart and boot into Linux on a laptop that by the OEM list was Linux compatible.

    So was the problem 100 percent Nvidia no. The OEM/ODMs who made the screwed up documentation on what was Linux compadible need to take some of the blame here. But there was also kind of stupid that Nvidia made Mobile PCI express modules that if you sat in bios/efi of 2012 that some of them would over heat and die thinking that its the intel GPU that rendering the bios interface on screen at that time. Nvidia has made some jank products over the years. So not only Linux incompable but bios/EFI incompatible as well. Stuff like that should not have happened.

    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    Now tell me what the difference between Linux and HaikuOS is and why only Linux users have the rights to claim something despite it not being suggested, offered or advertised. I know logic is hard and emotions run rampant here, but please.
    Here you double down on falsehood. The reality here 2012 and before there had been error advertising laptops that could contain Nvidia GPU without direct monitor connect as 100 percent Linux compatible no matter the configuration. Worse Nvidia some major power management issues on those cards. If there is no driver to fire up the add on card it should not be fired up in these cases.

    birdie I guess you would have never been going to Dell, HP and so on and downloading their lists of Linux compatible laptops for workstation usage. So you never saw this false advertising.

    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    I don't care about either of these things. I can imagine EGLStreams were shared between platforms, so they naturally implemented them first.
    No that is not the truth either. The reality is EGLStreams never worked outside Linux. Never end up shared between platforms. Basically got zero adoption.
    I have a quick question on some EGL extensions for the FreeBSD driver that can’t seem to be found. I’m posting here because the Nvidia forums for FreeBSD don’t seem to get any answers from develope...


    Yes surprise right Nvidia did not even bother with EGLSteams working correctly in Freebsd even that its meant to be supported platform for Unix drivers from Nvidia.

    birdie the reality Nvidia had the idea that EGLStreams could be cross platform and bad news the design Linux particular logic into it so rendering it not cross platform at all.

    No matter how you look at EGLStreams it been a screw up from start to finish and the sooner we are rid of it the better.

    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    Releasing documentation costs a ton of money. Period.
    Old saying you have to spend money to make money. Not spending the money on releasing documentation has it costs. Like losing out on particular contracts is one cost of this.

    There was another advantage to AMD doing documentation for public release. The legal audit process found stacks of patents AMD was paying for that they were not in fact using at all. So there is a question how much is Nvidia paying firms for patents they should not be because they have not done a full and proper audit to produce documentation. That process of the audit finds who owns what technology you are using.

    The allowance to Nvidia firmware to fire up Nvidia cards HaikuOS graphical developers wanted and the open source Nvidia driver developers wanted would not cost Nvidia any money at all. This would be just altering the terms on the Nvidia binary drivers that it legal to extract and use the firmware. Remember once Nvidia started signing the firmwares the open source developers could not just go and code a replacement.

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  • Weasel
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    Originally posted by drakonas777 View Post
    Multiple users: I was experiencing problems with NVIDIA GPU.
    birdie: I was not, so you are wrong or lying.

    This whole thread basically LOL
    I use NVIDIA with a composited WM and I never had any issues. No Tearing, no "slowness" when dragging, everything is butter smooth at 60 fps.

    Which is why I find this beyond funny and cringe at the same time. I don't know what the fuck are you guys doing, but you're clearly doing something wrong, or using some shit settings.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by Alexmitter View Post

    every birdie comment ever basically. And can you blame him, look how hot jensen is in his leather jacket, such a great company.
    You're lying about me.

    Phoronix: NVIDIA 495.44 Linux Driver Released With GBM Support Following the NVIDIA 495 beta Linux driver from earlier this month, NVIDIA 495.44 is out today for Linux users as the stable release... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-495.44-Linux-Driver


    Phoronix: KDE Plasma Readies Its NVIDIA GBM Support, Fingerprint Authentication Added It's been an exciting week for KDE developers with preparing their formal support for handling NVIDIA's driver with GBM support as well as getting fingerprint authentication finally in place, among other improvements... https://www.phoronix.c


    Phoronix: KDE Plasma Readies Its NVIDIA GBM Support, Fingerprint Authentication Added It's been an exciting week for KDE developers with preparing their formal support for handling NVIDIA's driver with GBM support as well as getting fingerprint authentication finally in place, among other improvements... https://www.phoronix.c

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post

    The best way to pressure a company is to support and work for large corporations where you won't have any say about what the company does anyway. /s

    Also you literally bitch about things all day long without doing anything about them. Your big attempt to improve Wayland was to open an issue on it's Gitlab, say it should work like X11, and then complain when one person didn't agree with you. Did you propose an protocols? No. Of course not.
    Over 500 bug reports, fixes to the kernel, GCC, KDE and many other open source projects that's how I'm not doing anything. Lying about me all the time is definitely your forte.

    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    Everything does. You need to pay programmers. That being said, it cost them money to support create and support EGLStreams. They had to write and maintain the EGLStreams backends for Mutter, Kwin, and XWayland... but they did it anyway. Nvidia has the money and they'll happy spend that money to be petty and proprietary because they feel it benefits them. Had they supported GBM a long time ago then they could have reaped the benefits of other people maintaining GBM and the backends that support it.

    That being said. Nvidia has entire development platforms based around Linux and they supported GBM on those for awhile. That same platform is used in self-driving cars. Linux is a huge platform for Nvidia.
    I don't care about either of these things. I can imagine EGLStreams were shared between platforms, so they naturally implemented them first.

    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    Accept it's not necessary for them to have two teams, that would be a company decision to make those two teams completely seperate. The nouveau driver also exist. It's not good but the project at least show that there's a ton of people who would contribute to an open source Nvidia driver that would offset some of the additional costs for Nvidia. Even providing documentation about their GPUs would have done a lot to help Nouveau improve and run at proper clock speeds but they couldn't even do that.

    That being said, I don't want to shit on them now. Good on them for finally supporting GBM. Hopefully they support EGL_NATIVE_RENDERABLE in their next driver so that Nvidia users can use OBS in Wayland.
    Releasing documentation costs a ton of money. Period.

    Everything you offer means NVIDIA has to pay out of their pockets to support a group of people who say "F you" in each thread about NVIDIA. Also, tell me, what's the business opportunity in wasting money on open source drivers when their proprietary drivers work great for absolute people out there not obsessed with new fancy buggy as hell and incomplete graphics features? We're in 2021 and outside of Gnome there are no full-featured bug-free Wayland DEs. None.

    If I were Jensen Huang I'd simply make NVIDIA Linux drivers a paid product for professionals and companies. Yes. Let 2% of people who claim to love Open Source so much forget about NVIDIA altogether and enjoy overpriced AMD cards or non-existent discrete Intel GPUs.

    That will end all the discussions about NVIDIA. You wanna run Linux? Go buy AMD or Intel. Case solved.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by Leopard View Post

    Nvidia literally owns laptop market when it comes to dgpu ones.

    Nvidia at that time supported both Linux and Windows.

    Nvidia at that time only supported Optimus on Windows, not Linux.

    All of those decisions made Linux inferior compared to Windows at that time? Yes

    When proper Optimus support landed on Linux? At 2019 August

    Linus's "NV fuck you" reaction happened at 2012.

    So it should be obvious why that "fuck you" was well deserved.
    Not a single laptop with NVIDIA at the time advertised Linux compatibility - buying them to run Linux was stupid to put it mildly. I'm not even sure any modern laptops advertise it which invalidates your entire post as well as six people who have gladly liked it.

    How can people be so inattentive?

    Let me repeat myself:

    Imagine for a second someone buys a laptop to install HaikuOS on it and the OS doesn't support the hardware. Would any of lead HaikuOS developers say "F you Company_X" to any of OEMs involved? That would look weird to put it mildly.
    Now tell me what the difference between Linux and HaikuOS is and why only Linux users have the rights to claim something despite it not being suggested, offered or advertised. I know logic is hard and emotions run rampant here, but please.
    Last edited by birdie; 27 October 2021, 07:04 AM.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post

    Literally nobody thinks that. That's your conspiracy brain talking again. I remember arguing with a guy who believed in the world government and his response to anyone that tried to explain how that doesn't make any sense was to say "You LOVE the government." That's you right now with that take. They can't just be against something, they're the heroes in an epic war with religious cultists.
    Repeating this expression while no knowing why it came about indicates exactly that.

    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    Do you make anything better when you spend most of your time on forums defending Nvidia's bad moves, frequently spreading misinfo about Wayland and X, or acting like devs were assholes to you for kindly correcting you?
    1. Never defended NVIDIA 2. Show me misinformation I've been spreading about X.org or Wayland - even if I did, I then apologized and corrected myself

    Originally posted by Myownfriend View Post
    They repeat "Fuck Nvidia" because they agree with it and at least in their minds, they feel like they're pressuring Nvidia to improve and making it known that they're unhappy with Nvidia. What's your goal?

    I've never seen anybody claim Nvidia "owes" the Linux community anything. They're speaking out of frustration not entitlement.
    Unhappy???? Do you go around your life screaming FUCK YOU to everything and everyone you're not content with? How has this worked for you? Do you say "Fuck you" to your employer who doesn't pay you as much as you want? Or your wife? Or your parents and children? Are you out of you mind?? You're defending the lowest meanest behavior possible.

    So much for the open source community, more like "we really love to cuss and hate community". If I were a company to join it, I'd think a 100 times before dealing with it.

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  • Gonk
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    Originally posted by ezst036 View Post

    I would say sell it on Ebay and get an AMD or (when they are released) Intel Arc card so you can live free from the constraints of the closed driver.
    I'd love to have a passively cooled (sub 45 watts) AMD or Intel card. From what I've read, Intel won't have any in the first lineup of cards they release. Nvidia was the last one that made relatively modern low power discrete GPUs (GT 1030 in 2017).

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