Thank god, I get so tired of getting black screens when it first boots into the free driver. I always have to go in and mess with grub on boot up until I can get the Nvidia driver in because the non free driver just works for me. Do I care it is not free, no, I can always use the free driver if I need to or I can get an AMD card or use Intel graphics. I don't worry about the non free because I have a choice.
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Originally posted by vsteel View PostThank god, I get so tired of getting black screens when it first boots into the free driver. I always have to go in and mess with grub on boot up until I can get the Nvidia driver in because the non free driver just works for me. Do I care it is not free, no, I can always use the free driver if I need to or I can get an AMD card or use Intel graphics. I don't worry about the non free because I have a choice.
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Originally posted by ThoreauHD View PostIf you bothered looking at any linux newbie post on and forum or subreddit, you'd understand why they are doing this. If your first experience with Linux was you thinking it just killed your compiter, would you be here today?.
In my experience, most online Linux tutorials aimed at beginners get online and attached to the online package repo as quickly as possible so for a newbie; being able to install it off the dvd is of very little value. In fact I doubt any will even know it is there (or how to install a package from dvd).
I don't actually have an issue with proprietary software on a "quick 'n dirty" distro like Ubuntu; but not having it used by default is actually a bit unexpected. Imagine Solaris 10 using vesa by default rather than the packaged Nvidia binary? It kinda defeats the purpose.
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Considering how badly Noveau works with fairly recent Nvidia cards this is unfortunately the only sane thing to do for a distro that's meant for, among others, newcomers to Linux.
Rage all you want about how your "freederps" being violated by this, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a very solid reasoning behind this decision. Ubuntu is supposed to be a fully featured ready-out-of-the-box desktop OS for regular desktop users meaning that it does need to include a lot of things that distros with other kinds of target audiences don't bother with. The whole complaint about bloat falls completely flat on it's face when you realize other distros for the same use case like Fedora workstation and Mint are all around the 2 GB mark."Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostRage all you want about how your "freederps" being violated by this, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a very solid reasoning behind this decision.
I would say it would seem wiser to purchase a card which does not box you into a corner regarding whether you can suitably run free or non-free software. If you want to have the most choice, start before the point of purchase. After you've thrown large wads of cash at a card, you pretty much are stuck with what few choices that company provides you.
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The whole point here is not avoiding the NVidia drivers, but avoiding Ubuntu altogether. I'm glad Ubuntu exists, but I've never considered it a really free-as-in-free-speech distro. It's good as a first time distro to enter the FOSS world, and, under that perspective, it's good it bundles the drivers, even if they aren't free.
Then the newbie grows up and wants more, so he dumps the Ubuntu distro itself and he moves to Debian/Fedora/Arch/whatever serious distro he likes, where he finds out the real truth. So he writes his letter to Santa asking for a AMD card or a new notebook.
In the long term, it pays off.
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Originally posted by andyprough View Post
Who is raging? Look through the comments - not a single rage. People that spend $500 plus on a video card probably expect it to work. They have the choice of using free drivers or proprietary drivers. I say that as a libre-linux advocate. No one is trying to take away that choice.
I would say it would seem wiser to purchase a card which does not box you into a corner regarding whether you can suitably run free or non-free software. If you want to have the most choice, start before the point of purchase. After you've thrown large wads of cash at a card, you pretty much are stuck with what few choices that company provides you.Last edited by Mel Spektor; 24 May 2019, 01:44 PM.
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