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Last edited by creative; 10 March 2019, 01:39 AM.
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Originally posted by creative View Post
I don't feel there is anything wrong with legacy drivers especially considering that they keep your card usable and able to game with.
I am just hoping my gtx 1070 lives as long as your 780ti, like not die on me. I hope I have as good luck with it as I had with my gts 450 fermi.
I had a PNY 9800gt that just decided to croak on me for no reason, that is when I had to buy the gts 450.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostProbably a hint that Linux ecosystem isn't supposed to be used like that.
So if there's anything to blame here, it's "the Linux way" (including breaking ABI for drivers every so often, see Hibbelharry's post).
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostStill, you forgot RHEL/CentOS.
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Originally posted by Weasel View PostLike what?
People are whining that a GPU has more support than a distro, when swapping hardware is easier than updating software and reconfiguring everything. (unless you're broke as hell)
This idea that you need a long time LTS makes no sense on Linux, opensource application developers will be targeting modern or relatively new library versions, you will kill yourself backporting all the software in the repos if your core libraries are too old. Which is why LTS distros have old software in the repos, or select only some of the most important software to backport.
The only place where a LTS makes sense on Linux is for servers, where you don't want to upgrade your payload application and the only thing you need are some security updates.
So if there's anything to blame here, it's "the Linux way" (including breaking ABI for drivers every so often).
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostThe only place where a LTS makes sense on Linux is for servers, where you don't want to upgrade your payload application and the only thing you need are some security updates.
The point is that buying a new card that is as good as an old card is dirt cheap (e.g. you buy the lowest tier new card since it will outperform your old card anyway) and requires no reconfiguration since it's usually automatic. While software upgrades tend to change your god damn workflow or user experience. And that costs precious time.
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Originally posted by Weasel View PostActually no I don't want to upgrade my payload application on the desktop either
But you keep treating Linux ecosystem as if it was Windows.
But of course I know it's your field and so obviously the only production grade systems you know of are servers (that run Linux).
Small and medium-sized companies rarely use Linux as they need a GUI and only barely know how to operate Windows.
The point is that buying a new card that is as good as an old card is dirt cheap (e.g. you buy the lowest tier new card since it will outperform your old card anyway) and requires no reconfiguration since it's usually automatic. While software upgrades tend to change your god damn workflow or user experience. And that costs precious time.
There is no "change to my goddamn workflow or user experience" happening in any opensource applications. In most cases they don't revamp the UI (= change the goddamn workflow or user experience) for the sake of looking "new" and selling the new version that has exactly the same functionality as the old one.
I see what you are complaining about in shit applications on Windows that i HAVE to use for other reasons (can't interface with certain hardware without some client application), the goddamn Microsoft Office (where the 2016 version has a completely different UI (not just the ribbons) for NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL, now it auto-selects the whole page's text whenever the fuck it wants, which is bad, and for some reason EXCEL CAN'T AUTO-DETECT csv FILES ON OPEN, and I HAVE TO USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION TO FIND HOW TO DO THAT, unlike older versions) or the shit supreme that is Adobe PDF reader application, that each year becomes more wow, wow, w-o-w.
Meanwhile if I fire up LibreOffice it has the exact same UI and behviour it had back in the stone age when it was still called OpenOffice. And Calc still auto-detects csv files on open. And Dolphin looks exactly the same as it always did (different icon theme or top bar theme isn't a noteworthy change), they didn't suddenly hide shit like with Windows 7 Explorer menu bar or whatever.
Krita? GIMP? The same.
The application that changed the most is Firefox, when they dropped the old plugin ecosystem. But it's still a far cry from anything proprietary that needs to do a restyling each year.Last edited by starshipeleven; 11 March 2019, 01:07 PM.
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Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostActually no, you don't want changes to workflow or experience, this isn't a thing in most opensource applications.
But you keep treating Linux ecosystem as if it was Windows.
And I'm on a LTS distro!!!!
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostReally I'm sick and tired of you blindly treating Linux ecosystem as if it was Windows. Are you actually even using Linux at all or are you typing your posts from Internet Explorer?
There is no "change to my goddamn workflow or user experience" happening in any opensource applications.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostI see what you are complaining about in shit applications on Windows that i HAVE to use for other reasons (can't interface with certain hardware without some client application), the goddamn Microsoft Office (where the 2016 version has a completely different UI (not just the ribbons) for NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL, now it auto-selects the whole page's text whenever the fuck it wants, which is bad, and for some reason EXCEL CAN'T AUTO-DETECT csv FILES ON OPEN, and I HAVE TO USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION TO FIND HOW TO DO THAT, unlike older versions) or the shit supreme that is Adobe PDF reader application, that each year becomes more wow, wow, w-o-w.
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostMeanwhile if I fire up LibreOffice it has the exact same UI and behviour it had back in the stone age when it was still called OpenOffice. And Calc still auto-detects csv files on open. And Dolphin looks exactly the same as it always did (different icon theme or top bar theme isn't a noteworthy change), they didn't suddenly hide shit like with Windows 7 Explorer menu bar or whatever.
And here's the kicker: I can use updated WinRAR to open shady archives I download from the net, while I keep around old WinRAR for opening ace archives. Can't do that with package manager, because oh... the old version is pulled out from the repo completely. Such a great way, right? Giving users no choice.
(no, it doesn't, I know, but what if it did, this is just an analogy please don't take it literally)
Originally posted by starshipeleven View PostThe application that changed the most is Firefox, when they dropped the old plugin ecosystem. But it's still a far cry from anything proprietary that needs to do a restyling each year.
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It seems as though many of you missed the fact that this is MOBILE Kepler and not DESKTOP Kepler that is being put out to pasture. The desktop GPU will keep support for some time, possibly a few more years, as there are many Kepler cards still in use, whereas the mobile version is going to be in laptop hardware that is at EOL anyway, due to wear and tear and lack of replacement parts.
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