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  • #11
    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    Linux is easy, LOL.
    It looks like you accidentally replaced Nvidia by Linux in your sentence. That's an Nvidia issue to not be distributed upstream at the first place, not a Linux issue.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Leopard View Post

      AMD for mining , Nvidia for gaming.
      I know that's the general notion but I disagree, why should it matter? If we ignore power usage (which I can lower my power limit to 90W on this 1080) or even performance per watt, what I'm talking about is separate. I'm saying the system should not lag in general usage while computing is going on in the background (OpenCL, CUDA). I guess I took that for granted with my AMD card. But I will keep fighting this injustice.

      So to that, I realized when I move to a single display (instead of a double-monitor setup), the lag gets slightly better since it doesn't have to support an extra screen. Sublime Text still comes to a screeching halt. Wtf?

      Paging the bridgman of NVIDIA on phoronix

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      • #13
        Originally posted by perpetually high View Post
        For those who were confused like me that just got an NVIDIA card: I think the best way to install the drivers if you're on Ubuntu/debian is through ppa:graphics-drivers. For some reason, you're told to do $ sudo apt install nvidia-396 which doesn't work. It's actually $ sudo apt install nvidia-driver-396. If you need CUDA support, $ sudo apt install nvidia-cuda-toolkit. Shouldn't need anything from NVIDIA's website as far as I can tell.

        I thought it was going to be an easy transition, but stupid things like that trip you up along the way.

        Also, my computer lags now when I'm mining ether on my GTX 1080 (36MH/s, was getting 27MH/s on the RX). This never happened with my RX 480. Does anyone know what the hell gives? I'm using CUDA, and on AMD I was using OpenCL 2.1 (AMDGPU-PRO and/or ROCm). Really disappointed by this. Tried everything to remedy it but to no avail.
        I don't see what's difficult about doing that on Ubuntu or derivatives.

        It's actually far better than all the breakage you get when trying to update AMD drivers without updating the entire freaking distro along with it. Because fuck rolling release. You can also get new driver without updating the kernel and breaking more crap, either.

        So actually yeah, Nvidia is easy.
        Last edited by Weasel; 01 September 2018, 11:06 AM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Weasel View Post
          I don't see what's difficult about doing that on Ubuntu or derivatives.

          It's actually far better than all the breakage you get when trying to update AMD drivers without updating the entire freaking distro along with it. Because fuck rolling release. You can also get new driver without updating the kernel and breaking more crap, either.

          So actually yeah, Nvidia is easy.
          It wasn't difficult per say, but the instructions weren't clear. So for example, at first I went the NVIDIA website route because Michael's post said go grab em from there. I had an AMD card so I didn't know what the best way was at the time. So I did that, but then couldn't get CUDA working. (not to mention the .run installer you have to log out of X before you install the drivers which is just inconvenient)

          Then I went to the PPA and the instructions say one thing, but it was wrong. Also had issues getting CUDA going. And then the lag with the mining, etc. So you can see what unnecessary hurdles I had to run through to get the drivers, but had I known the actual shortest path, it might have took me 30 seconds.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by perpetually high View Post

            It wasn't difficult per say, but the instructions weren't clear. So for example, at first I went the NVIDIA website route because Michael's post said go grab em from there. I had an AMD card so I didn't know what the best way was at the time. So I did that, but then couldn't get CUDA working. (not to mention the .run installer you have to log out of X before you install the drivers which is just inconvenient)

            Then I went to the PPA and the instructions say one thing, but it was wrong. Also had issues getting CUDA going. And then the lag with the mining, etc. So you can see what unnecessary hurdles I had to run through to get the drivers, but had I known the actual shortest path, it might have took me 30 seconds.
            Well first, those instructions aren't written by Nvidia. Second, the lag thing you experience is due to the drivers, which is a problem (for you) but it's not "difficult" or "easy", it's just a problem, so I don't see what that has to do with the fact that installing nvidia drivers is pretty easy.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Leopard View Post

              AMD for mining , Nvidia for gaming.
              I hope in 2 years AMD should be great for gaming too, as I'm planning to buy a new card and I'm tired of Nvidia's policies, but for now AMD didn't get its shit together either with their pile of drivers instead of having just one.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                Well first, those instructions aren't written by Nvidia. Second, the lag thing you experience is due to the drivers, which is a problem (for you) but it's not "difficult" or "easy", it's just a problem, so I don't see what that has to do with the fact that installing nvidia drivers is pretty easy.
                That's fair, and to be honest, the only reason I was in this thread was to offer the PPA instructions for those like me who didn't know. Didn't mean to blame NVIDIA for the PPA instructions, but the PPA is far more convenient than the going to NVIDIA's site, logging out of X, running the installer, etc.

                Also when I use words like difficult or easy, I say it as someone that's very comfortable in Linux, so it was more for the novice chap who dared to try Linux and ditch Windows. The PPA route was great, but the instructions were wrong. That's why I made the stink. Michael said go to the website (understandably) but on AMD cards it's all about oibaf and padoka so I didn't even know there was this option. So there is definite confusion here and that's why I originally posted.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by perpetually high View Post
                  That's fair, and to be honest, the only reason I was in this thread was to offer the PPA instructions for those like me who didn't know. Didn't mean to blame NVIDIA for the PPA instructions, but the PPA is far more convenient than the going to NVIDIA's site, logging out of X, running the installer, etc.

                  Also when I use words like difficult or easy, I say it as someone that's very comfortable in Linux, so it was more for the novice chap who dared to try Linux and ditch Windows. The PPA route was great, but the instructions were wrong. That's why I made the stink. Michael said go to the website (understandably) but on AMD cards it's all about oibaf and padoka so I didn't even know there was this option. So there is definite confusion here and that's why I originally posted.
                  Well FWIW I liked your first post when I read it, since it was indeed good information for newbies. (nvm, forum crapped out I had JS disabled, re-liked it now...)

                  Didn't mean to imply it was wrong, but some people with pitchforks against nvidia are just not reasonable so I tried to clarify that part there.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                    Well FWIW I liked your first post when I read it, since it was indeed good information for newbies. (nvm, forum crapped out I had JS disabled, re-liked it now...)

                    Didn't mean to imply it was wrong, but some people with pitchforks against nvidia are just not reasonable so I tried to clarify that part there.
                    Yes and to your point, I'm really loving this card now. (let's ignore the mining lag for now (that's not why I got the card).

                    The post about the graphics being subpar on NVIDIA vs AMD is a bunch of malarkey as far as I'm concerned and I would like to call bs on that. My games (even old ones like Quake 2 that I had running virtually flawless) have an extra pep to their step. They didn't get more FPS (they're locked to my monitors 144Hz) so it's something else. The GL extensions, whatever it is, I'm not sure.

                    What else... I love the nvidia-smi and nvidia-settings programs. I feel like I can actually interact, overclock and control my graphics card. No offense to AMD (or offense, whatever, I paid for that card) but I had to use third party tools and become a phoronix grandmaster to know my AMD card inside/out.

                    So there you have it, I love both of these cards and I definitely see the appeal of both. If AMD was priced better, I could absolutely recommend AMD cards (and to Leopard's post, yes AMD > NVIDIA right now). This 1080 card is an absolute beast for gaming and I love it. I'm glad I pulled the trigger for my 1920x1080 setup. I can always upgrade to 1440p if I want with no degradation in quality. Good time to be alive playing video games y'all.

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                    • #20
                      Since we are talking about easy: There is a package for the Vulkan driver in the AUR, which also creates a package for a DKMS module:
                      https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-vulkan/
                      It can also easily be adjusted to any other driver version like newest regular stable or beta drivers. Works like a charm for me since the maintainer overhauled the pkgbuild some time ago. No waiting for any repos and perfect system integration as a package.

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