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  • #31
    Originally posted by nomadewolf View Post

    lel
    I think he meant something more like:

    Just think all this started because people didn't like gnome 3 so bad (insert comma here) people started making their own desktops.
    Let's eat, grandma

    Let's eat grandma

    Commas save lives!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by caligula View Post
      Mir and Bazaar.. LoL the amount of NIH in that company. Anyone remember the Ubuntu One, Upstart, setting up your own Launchpad.. so much fail... and the default encryption in Ubuntu was EncFS with silly file name length restrictions. So much fail.
      Well, Bazaar is older than Git, which is very similar to Bazaar. If Bazaar should not exist, then obviously Git should definitely not exist, it being the NIH version of Bazaar. Upstart was the dominant init system for years, because it solved real issues. Obviously not NIH unless you really think single-threaded sequential init is the correct way to bring up modern systems. Upstart definitely wasn't a fail. Launchpad is a good system and open source and most people seem to agree that SourceForge wasn't the perfect solution.

      These days, a lot of people prefer the proprietary GitHub service, which is financed by development of proprietary software.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jo-erlend View Post

        Well, Bazaar is older than Git, which is very similar to Bazaar. If Bazaar should not exist, then obviously Git should definitely not exist, it being the NIH version of Bazaar. Upstart was the dominant init system for years, because it solved real issues. Obviously not NIH unless you really think single-threaded sequential init is the correct way to bring up modern systems. Upstart definitely wasn't a fail. Launchpad is a good system and open source and most people seem to agree that SourceForge wasn't the perfect solution.

        These days, a lot of people prefer the proprietary GitHub service, which is financed by development of proprietary software.
        The problem with Ubuntu's NIH tech versus others is that nobody else wants or can adopt them. CLA and closed community prevent interaction with true open source communities.

        It's not like people went straight from CVS -> SVN -> Git. There were numerous others and people had to choose between several DVCS solutions. Most people want one standard solution. Something controlled by a single biased entity just won't cut it. Bazaar, Mercurial, and Git were all quite popular, but Git won based on technical merits and later due to the network effect / Github. Canonical couldn't admit that the best tech should win, they continued pushing their own sh*t. Even if Git had failed, I would have put my bets on Mercurial. Much friendlier attitude towards the community.

        Launchpad was designed to be impossible to set up by others. Pretty much similar situation with Mir. You can install Wayland on some non-*buntu distro, but you can't find Mir packages anywhere.

        Upstart didn't dominate for that long. When Upstart appeared, distros like Gentoo used other solutions like init-ng. The whole idea was stolen elsewhere (mostly Macs). People could have adopted Upstart but Ubuntu did very bad work at marketing it as a free solution and wanted to control everything so other major Linux vendors couldn't accept it. So RH came up with a vendor-neutral systemd just 3.5 years after Upstart and the rest is history. When systemd was started, nobody but Canonical gave a crap about Upstart. Systemd adoption started immediately with both commercial and community distros adopting it, finally even Canonical admitted their defeat, but kept pushing their NIH crap when everyone else was using the de facto vendor neutral standard.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mr.Elendig View Post
          <meme>Complains about how other post misses the topic; goes on an Alex Jones style rant about "femnazis" "PC" and social welfare</meme>
          I might go off topic but I did not make objectivly wrong arguments, that Mir was startet because of gnome is wrong... there is no oppinion about that, thats just a fact (or basic logic). I didnt state a fact thats wrong, I might have oppinions that you might disagree but I dont say the moon is made out of cheese or something like that.
          Last edited by blackiwid; 04-22-2017, 10:35 AM.

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          • #35
            Well, looking at it'd dev branch - development seems to go on..

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