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Originally posted by chuckulaAssuming you have a Nehalem-era desktop system with these graphics, I would recommend upgrading to even a very low-end discrete GPU that doesn't even require an external power connector. For example, a GTX-1050.
if you have that attitude about Intel then I suggest never buying an AMD product since support will be dropped way way faster.
Note: I'm guessing poor Ironlake video accel support is due to poor hardware or programming model design, rather than Intel's attitude towards supporting older hardware in Linux or some kind of conspiracy to force people to buy newer hardware.
Incidentally, this article should point out that you can certainly play back video on the hardware, you just don't get acceleration bells & whistles.
I have a nearly 10 year old Core 2 notebook that's even older than these parts and it can playback non-crazy resolution video (including H.264 video) over HDMI just fine.
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I have a core i5 520m based laptop with an ips screen that I use for web browsing and watching videos.
It is still a good machine.
With the right settings, it can handle 1080p 60fps h264 videos in smplayer/vlc and in firefox/chromium with software decoding.
Even though it would have been great to have hardware decoding, especially since it was announced years ago.
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Originally posted by andre30correia View Posti don't agree with smplayer using mpv vaapi is good for decoding fullhd+ videos.
If you insist on a GUI, give baka-mplayer a try, Contrary to its name, it's actually a mpv frontend, and interfaces with mpv as is proper - through the libmpv client API.
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Originally posted by chuckula View PostAssuming you have a Nehalem-era desktop system with these graphics, I would recommend upgrading to even a very low-end discrete GPU that doesn't even require an external power connector. For example, a GTX-1050 if you want to be modern would provide all the video playback capabilities you want and a massive improvement in graphics performance too.
As for mobile, if you are still rocking a Nehalem-era notebook that came out years before AMD even introduced the marketing term "APU", I would strongly suggest an upgrade. Kaby Lake is an extremely strong mobile platform as just one example.
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Originally posted by c117152 View PostMy 2010 GTX460(Fermi) TDR-locks* under Windows 10 and doesn't have linux framebuffer support with the property driver (while the Nouveau driver does).
Also, I don't understand who would ever need a GTX GPU with a framebuffer. That's like putting a fancy new engine in an old, heavy, rusty piece of junk car. If you really need framebuffer, just get the vesa driver.
Intel is failing on tech, not marketing: A 2010 i7 is clocked roughly 1.5gigahertz below a 2016 i7 and has 10 times less the transistors (600million versus 6billion) but is, at most, 5 times slower compute.
If they won't drop old hardware support, they'll end up making no sales at all.
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I have an Acer Extensa laptop that I bought in 2009 I guess. It has a 4500MHD and it still does what it suppose to do. I watch movies, tv shows on 720p because 1080p is pointless since the resolution is 1280x800; I occasionally play games on it; I often get my work done using this notebook. It's fine. Sure, it's nowhere near as powerful as my desktop, but it still is functional. - I expect an electronic to do what it should do without a major problem for 5-10 years, so of course I'm going to buy another one sooner or later. However reading such news does help me determine whether I should support Intel or not.
Intel's incompetence has been a big problem, their lack of enthusiasm for supporting a product for more than 4 years is ridiculous. I don't have any problems with their GNU/Linux support, because I'm used to do my own dirty work when it comes to tweak my expectations; however their Windows 10 support, for instance, does tell us how can't-be-bothered they really are. Did you know they dropped their Graphics Properties in Windows 8? I used compatibility layer with Windows 7 drivers in order to get to those configuration options. On Windows 10, they didn't even work. They used an old driver version on Windows Update thing, whatever they call it. - So, I use Linux mainly, what's the big deal; big deal is that they don't even bother try to support their older hardware on a popular system for General Purpose. Sure, it works out of the box but software still is old technology.
Who cares, right? I do. - Intel spends enormous amount of their budget on bullshit campaigns, millions of dollars to accomplish absolutely nothing.
The point is, yes they have to sell newer products one way or the other. They have to force you to buy something newer, eventually. But they have the fucking budget to fund for at least 5 years of support for their older hardware. They just choose to focus on crap.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostSeems to me your issue in Windows is more of a hardware or OS related problem, not a driver problem. Unless you've confirmed many people are experiencing the same issue, I don't think this is a driver/nvidia issue.
Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostAlso, I don't understand who would ever need a GTX GPU with a framebuffer.
Regardless, my point was that nVidia doesn't maintain drivers as well as they're being credited for. I had identical issues with multiple 2012 Kepler cards over various workstations & desktops so considering win10 was released in July15, that's around 3 years of product life which is what everyone else is doing.
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Yea it's called Lifecycle Management. Exactly 5 years after the introduction of Ironlake, the support for Gen1 HD Graphics silently vanishes, compare 2015Q3 with 2015Q4 release notes (scroll to "Supported Hardware" at the bottom):
The thing is, those Gen1 chips were massively popular due to successful marketing with the invention of "HD Graphics" and the cute i3/5/7 labeling. A LOT of chips were ordered. And they were quite good in fact - a meager Core i3 M was good enough for a Full HD media PC, which, unfortunately for Intel, is still adequate for a home theater PC, that is unless you need 4K, which a lot of us in 2017 still don't.
Intel simply cannot afford to support this chip, doing so could put a big dent in Gen7 sales figures.
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