Geometry Shaders / OpenGL 3.2 Finally Comes To Intel Sandy Bridge

[curaga]

Functional website that works everywhere > fancy Twitter Bootstrap Jquery abomination that looks like shit in non-latest-chrome-desktop-browsers, intended for mobile, and still manages to use 100% cpu in JS for 10 seconds after loading.

Sorry, these "gotta have current fashun webs" hipsters piss me off.

[tarceri]

Can you please provide counter-argument about why my thinking about MESA iorganizational structure s so wrong?

I see most FOSS projects are awful at PR. Mesa3d.org site has a crappy early 90s design, it provides no organizational information and is uglier than a burnt stump.

Why do I need to follow a damn mailing list for everything? I prefer to read structured information in a semantic way like a wiki and or a website, mailing lists and chats are really suited to active project collaborators not just curious outsiders or users. I already procrastinate enough following a zillion of projects and news sites, I don't need more infoxication.

Maybe SPI could provide webmasters and marketeers to avoid ridicule websites and lack of PR.

Intel is full of money, they could hire a proper webmaster to update it and provide updates. Hell, they could provide a damn website design company, that's pocket money for them.

Why do 99% FOSS project sites suck? Even a crappy company could have a decent website. I would prefer a generic site generator than those insanely structured webpages coming from a crazy nerd without graphical design idea that believes man pages are sexy.

How exactly does mesa's website being simple equal the project being poorly managed? I asked if you follow the mailing list because unless you do you would have no idea how things are managed, even then you still dont get full insite into how things are managed inside each company. Anyway my point is your full of it. As others have pointed out its better to focus resources on improving Mesa rather than the website. Mesa has no need for a fancy website, ideally users shouldnt even need to know Mesa exists. All contibutors have been doing an amazing job lately at catching Mesa up to the latest OpenGL specs, and generally Mesa provides amazing support for fixing bugs quickly compared to the closed drivers.

[rikkinho]

a question

Can you please provide counter-argument about why my thinking about MESA iorganizational structure s so wrong?

I see most FOSS projects are awful at PR. Mesa3d.org site has a crappy early 90s design, it provides no organizational information and is uglier than a burnt stump.

Why do I need to follow a damn mailing list for everything? I prefer to read structured information in a semantic way like a wiki and or a website, mailing lists and chats are really suited to active project collaborators not just curious outsiders or users. I already procrastinate enough following a zillion of projects and news sites, I don't need more infoxication.

Maybe SPI could provide webmasters and marketeers to avoid ridicule websites and lack of PR.

Intel is full of money, they could hire a proper webmaster to update it and provide updates. Hell, they could provide a damn website design company, that's pocket money for them.

Why do 99% FOSS project sites suck? Even a crappy company could have a decent website. I would prefer a generic site generator than those insanely structured webpages coming from a crazy nerd without graphical design idea that believes man pages are sexy.

you prefer a woman good in bad and fat or a beauty o can't do sex? linux/apple

[rikkinho]

apple really?

You must use Apple or Microsoft products, they are working and provide better hardware support.

MESA is a poorly managed project, they lack an organizational structure. I hope SPI fixes that and MESA manages to be part of Khronos Group.

nice joke look to the performance of 3d drivers

[smitty3268]

Can you please provide counter-argument about why my thinking about MESA iorganizational structure s so wrong?

I see most FOSS projects are awful at PR. Mesa3d.org site has a crappy early 90s design, it provides no organizational information and is uglier than a burnt stump.

Why do I need to follow a damn mailing list for everything? I prefer to read structured information in a semantic way like a wiki and or a website, mailing lists and chats are really suited to active project collaborators not just curious outsiders or users. I already procrastinate enough following a zillion of projects and news sites, I don't need more infoxication.

Maybe SPI could provide webmasters and marketeers to avoid ridicule websites and lack of PR.

Intel is full of money, they could hire a proper webmaster to update it and provide updates. Hell, they could provide a damn website design company, that's pocket money for them.

Why do 99% FOSS project sites suck? Even a crappy company could have a decent website. I would prefer a generic site generator than those insanely structured webpages coming from a crazy nerd without graphical design idea that believes man pages are sexy.

It sounds like what you really want is for Mesa to have a PR and marketing team, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what most people here think is important. We'd rather have substance over flash.

[timofonic]

You clearly have no idea what your talking about. Do you even follow the dev list?

Can you please provide counter-argument about why my thinking about MESA iorganizational structure s so wrong?

I see most FOSS projects are awful at PR. Mesa3d.org site has a crappy early 90s design, it provides no organizational information and is uglier than a burnt stump.

Why do I need to follow a damn mailing list for everything? I prefer to read structured information in a semantic way like a wiki and or a website, mailing lists and chats are really suited to active project collaborators not just curious outsiders or users. I already procrastinate enough following a zillion of projects and news sites, I don't need more infoxication.

Maybe SPI could provide webmasters and marketeers to avoid ridicule websites and lack of PR.

Intel is full of money, they could hire a proper webmaster to update it and provide updates. Hell, they could provide a damn website design company, that's pocket money for them.

Why do 99% FOSS project sites suck? Even a crappy company could have a decent website. I would prefer a generic site generator than those insanely structured webpages coming from a crazy nerd without graphical design idea that believes man pages are sexy.

[chrisf]

Well thats nice but how do I actually activate the extension?

Two roadblocks:

1) Wait for the patches to actually land in git. No-one has even had a decent chance to review them yet.

2) The only variant of geometry shaders supported by Mesa is the GLSL 1.50 variant. The earlier EXT_* and ARB_* extensions are a bit different, and there is no plan to support them.

[tarceri]

MESA is a poorly managed project, they lack an organizational structure. I hope SPI fixes that and MESA manages to be part of Khronos Group.

You clearly have no idea what your talking about. Do you even follow the dev list?

[timofonic]

I don't care about source code I care about a working product.

Intel has enough money to make Solomon look like a pauper, I think they can afford to hire a couple guys to provide full support for their products and still have zillions left over in the bank, rather than relying on hand-outs from the "community". What they're doing now is giving out the impression that they are cheap, do not support their products, do not care about quality and do not care about their customers.

It's not just their GPUs either, even after they found that cpufreq / pstates were fundamentally broken they didn't backport any fixes to older architectures.

In terms of software this is basically a third-rate company.

And with their latest TSX debacle maybe they're not so good at hardware either.

You must use Apple or Microsoft products, they are working and provide better hardware support.

MESA is a poorly managed project, they lack an organizational structure. I hope SPI fixes that and MESA manages to be part of Khronos Group.

[brad0]

I don't care about source code I care about a working product.

And you're on the other side of the perspective. The other side being that having source code is a requirement of having a working product.