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  • #41
    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
    hah damn Michael put the whiner's in their place.
    Plans to elaborate that? Because we asked for a test done on something other than Unity, just because it was known for performance regressions?

    Anyways, this article was clarifying some things for me, thanks Michael.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      Phoronix: KDE & Xfce Don't Lead To Performance Wins Over Windows 8
      WTF?

      1. The test conditions / setup box is as always unreadably small and must be scrolled.
      2. From what I am reading there it is using an intel chip.
      3. What the hell is this "test"? It is comparing the driver implementation for intel chips on Windows and Linux. Doesn't really have that much to do with the desktop environment.
      Stop TCPA, stupid software patents and corrupt politicians!

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      • #43
        SS Setting

        Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
        Where I need to to put this?
        You put it in the console (use the ~ key to drop it down).. Enter each line one at a time. It made a huge difference for me.

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        • #44
          If Dell would tweak a notebook for absolute performace under Ubuntu, it would take:
          1. Intel writing a superb closed source driver with all the propriatary algorithms
          2. Realtek writing the best audio driver for Linux in gernel
          3. Atheros delievering essential an up-to-date Wifi driver
          4. Dell tweaking the kernel and quality testing the entire thing for 6 months.

          Because, that is what happens when companies get advanced copies of Windows 8 to prep for their next product.

          Microsoft is all but leasing Windows to their customers. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't start selling their own brand laptop for rent.

          Linux and distributions in general, are too busy preping for the next product release other than cleaning up problems that have existed for years.

          Excuses:
          1. Upstream problem
          2. Won't fix see #1
          3. Angst against closed source drivers
          4. Opinions
          5. etc.....

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          • #45
            I'm surprised too to see kde to perform worse than other DEs.
            Now, given the fact that kwin has desktop effects disabled for fullscreen apps,
            two things come to mind:

            a- could it be that compositing active still has an impact?
            b- Or maybe some background process is stealing cpu cycles?

            So i would suggest to:
            1- manually disable effects in the whole kde (Alt-shift-F12) prior to start the benchmark
            2- having a report about background processes cpu use during the bench.

            Point 2 could be implemented in PTS by starting a monitoring "top -b" or something similar...
            I think something like that would be a nice addition to PTS what do you think, michael?

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            • #46
              Thanks for the article. I hope in the future it will be possible to benchmark more ?mainstream? games, games from the Humble Bundles maybe (yes, some of them are slow), Valve/steam games, or popular Windows games under Wine.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by kokoko3k View Post
                I'm surprised too to see kde to perform worse than other DEs.
                Now, given the fact that kwin has desktop effects disabled for fullscreen apps,
                two things come to mind:

                a- could it be that compositing active still has an impact?
                b- Or maybe some background process is stealing cpu cycles?
                Well, check this out http://jaysonrowe.blogspot.com/2013/...kde-users.html . Basically it's a bad default setting in KDE. KDE should change the default. Micheal's tests shows that when the default KDE is used, it under-performs compared to the other desktops with their defaults.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Adarion View Post
                  WTF?

                  1. The test conditions / setup box is as always unreadably small and must be scrolled.
                  2. From what I am reading there it is using an intel chip.
                  3. What the hell is this "test"? It is comparing the driver implementation for intel chips on Windows and Linux. Doesn't really have that much to do with the desktop environment.
                  Please try to read and comprehend the article.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                    Don't forget the article is talking about Intel graphics, which are known for being slower on Linux than on Windows. Do the same with a NVIDIA graphics card and the performance will pretty much be the same. 8)
                    Indeed -

                    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag..._nvidia1&num=5

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by stqn View Post
                      Thanks for the article. I hope in the future it will be possible to benchmark more ?mainstream? games, games from the Humble Bundles maybe (yes, some of them are slow), Valve/steam games, or popular Windows games under Wine.
                      Name recognition is not the problem here - it is about verifiability. The games here are known to be solid and use the same back-ends (for the most part) on both Linux and Windows, and therefore are better for benchmarking the driver. Benchmarking a game under Wine would be a huge joke as the fact that it is not native would put overhead on Linux simply because it is not being ran natively. This is not about showing what games you can run on your Intel cards, but rather the state of the drivers.

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