Windows 11 vs. Linux Benchmarks For Intel Arc B-Series "Battlemage" Shows Strengths & Weaknesses

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  • NeoMorpheus
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2022
    • 603

    #21
    Stop feeding the trolls, please.

    Let them starve.

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    • sarmad
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 1230

      #22
      You would expect Vulkan to be more optimized than OpenGL, not the other way around, since Vulkan is closer to the metal and should be easier to optimize.

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      • muncrief
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2016
        • 866

        #23
        I wouldn't take benchmarks with a pre-release Linux kernel/Mesa much to heart. I understand that's all Michael has to work with now, but I'm sure the Windows drivers have received much more attention from Intel, and there are a plethora of reasons why unreleased Linux code is hit and miss at any point in time, for anything.

        The benchmarks do present and document the state of Battlemage out of the gate however, and it will be interesting to see how its performance progresses in the months to come.

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        • Quackdoc
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2020
          • 5072

          #24
          Originally posted by sarmad View Post
          You would expect Vulkan to be more optimized than OpenGL, not the other way around, since Vulkan is closer to the metal and should be easier to optimize.
          Gallium has been optimized to hell and back. Im not entirely sure how much performance is left to squeeze out of it.

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          • Daktyl198
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 1582

            #25
            Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
            By now it's clear that the Arc family of cards is great for certain specific use cases.

            If you want gaming, buy NVIDIA.

            If you want compute, buy NVIDIA.

            If you are working with video, buy NVIDIA.

            If you are on a tight budget, want respectable gaming, compute and video editing capabilities, buy Intel.

            If you are an even tighter budget and are content with decent gaming, compute and video editing capabilities, buy an AMD APU.

            And if you are nuts, buy an AMD video card.

            It's that simple.
            AMD cards still have better performance/dollar than NVidia, and overall higher than Intel. Not by as much as they used to, but at least a bit. Also, some people are willing to lose 10fps to not support the worst of the 3 major corporations making viable GPUs.

            Too bad AMD's drivers on Windows are still hot garbage, and somehow only getting worse over time. If nothing changes with AMD, and Intel continues on their current trend, then you are correct that within a couple years there won't be any reason to buy an AMD gpu.

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            • avis
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2022
              • 2260

              #26
              Originally posted by aufkrawall View Post
              And nobody on these forums give a f*ck about that. You might as well start talking to your wall, in case you're not already doing that.
              I see an empty message. Come again.

              Or maybe you could study logic 101 and see how your reply is a complete failure of engaging in the argument and not only that, dealing with people in general.

              I wasn't even talking to you FFS.

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              • avis
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2022
                • 2260

                #27
                Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post

                AMD cards still have better performance/dollar than NVidia, and overall higher than Intel. Not by as much as they used to, but at least a bit. Also, some people are willing to lose 10fps to not support the worst of the 3 major corporations making viable GPUs.

                Too bad AMD's drivers on Windows are still hot garbage, and somehow only getting worse over time. If nothing changes with AMD, and Intel continues on their current trend, then you are correct that within a couple years there won't be any reason to buy an AMD gpu.
                In terms of performance per dollar, yeah, AMD is a tad better but only in raster:

                The next-generation Intel Arc graphics cards are here! The B580, powered by the Battlemage architecture, is priced at a highly competitive $250. Testing in our review confirms that Intel's new card outperforms both NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 and AMD's RX 7600, and it now supports frame generation as well.


                In games with real RT AMD is nowhere close to NVIDIA. Intel's Battlemage is.

                And then NVIDIA has superior DLSS on its side which AMD only promises for the upcoming RDNA 4.0.

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                • rabcor
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 1371

                  #28
                  I like the graphics software, no other vendor does that on linux yet (Nvidia doesn't count, it's X settings client sucks ass and is so useless and so far behind the windows equivalent it might as well not exist)

                  Originally posted by avis View Post

                  In games with real RT AMD is nowhere close to NVIDIA. Intel's Battlemage is.

                  And then NVIDIA has superior DLSS on its side which AMD only promises for the upcoming RDNA 4.0.


                  E.g. it's pretty meh today but 10+ years from now (which is a lot of time for amd to catch up on RT, which they are focusing on to some extent already) they might be better than amd, is what ur saying?

                  If it has a lot more vram and better compute performance, it could really shine in AI at least... Only the A770 has scraped together enough vram to matter in that scene though, 16gb is like the bare minimum for the lowest of low end models.
                  Last edited by rabcor; 17 December 2024, 06:05 PM.

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                  • jojo7887
                    Phoronix Member
                    • Oct 2017
                    • 89

                    #29
                    The vulkan driver still needs a lot of work to begin recommending Intel gpu's for Linux use.

                    This has been a problem for a few years already, seems like Intel are short on Linux devs.

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                    • Quackdoc
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2020
                      • 5072

                      #30
                      Originally posted by jojo7887 View Post
                      The vulkan driver still needs a lot of work to begin recommending Intel gpu's for Linux use.

                      This has been a problem for a few years already, seems like Intel are short on Linux devs.
                      for me, I can reccomend them since they have been more stable for me, no random kernel driver crashes for a long time, and when one did happen a long time ago, my system freezed for a couple seconds before it always caught itself and I could keep using it, unlike AMD which constantly forced me to reboot my machine.

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