Windows 11 vs. Linux Benchmarks For Intel Arc B-Series "Battlemage" Shows Strengths & Weaknesses

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  • rmfx
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2019
    • 758

    #11
    That shows that drivers are unfinished on both platerforms, and that often half of the performances are wasted just because of the driver.

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    • Leopard
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2017
      • 348

      #12
      Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
      By now it's clear that the Arc family of cards is great for certain specific use cases.

      If you want gaming, buy NVIDIA.

      If you want compute, buy NVIDIA.

      If you are working with video, buy NVIDIA.

      If you are on a tight budget, want respectable gaming, compute and video editing capabilities, buy Intel.

      If you are an even tighter budget and are content with decent gaming, compute and video editing capabilities, buy an AMD APU.

      And if you are nuts, buy an AMD video card.

      It's that simple.


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      DirectX 12 games ran through Proton/Wine on Linux perform so much worse compared to Windows. This can’t be just the overhead from the translation as AMD GPUs perform just fine, but I think it’s due to a lack of proper driver optimizations. DXVK and VKD3D developers have acknowledged this and they can’t do much about it due to the driver’s closed source nature. They can’t tell how exactly it works behind the scenes. I don’t know if this is talked about enough, but I don’t see the top threads co...


      Hello there this is a follow up post to my previous Control (The game) issue as I encounter similar issues with Metro Exodus (Linux native game) and Metro Exodus PC Enhanced Edition (Proton + VKD3D) Nov 26 11:34:25 z004 kernel: NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:26:00): 109, pid=9664, name=MetroExodus.exe, Ch 00000056, errorString CTX SWITCH TIMEOUT, Info 0x34c027 Nov 26 11:34:21 z004 kernel: NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:26:00): 13, pid=‘’, name=, Graphics Exception: ESR 0x5147b0=0x17000b 0x5147b4=0x0 0x5147a8=0xf812...


      Pls

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      • stormcrow
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2017
        • 1514

        #13
        Originally posted by blackshard View Post

        What games? Those ancient games that don't tell anything about the real performances of those cards on current and past titles.
        There were real games in the benchmark tests. Just because you don't play them doesn't mean they aren't real games that people play. Yall really should stop with this entitled crap that only your experiences and interests matter with everyone else irrelevant. The benchmarks may have no direct relevance to you, and you know what? That's perfectly ok! (GASP!)

        Most generic benchmarks have no direct relevance to anyone unless they're using the software included in the test in the same way the benchmarks are testing. They are instead an indicator of generic performance, where work may be needed to improve the project, or identify potential regressions for developers. Arguably that's why the OpenGL and most Vulkan benchmarks on Windows aren't useful. Few programs on Windows use either unless they've decided to limit their rendering stack for maintainability reasons.

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        • chuckula
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 844

          #14
          I'm running mine right now! So far with the 6.12 kernel & Mesa 24.3 the card definitely does all the basics well, but the drivers need more tuning for better game compatibility. The biggest issue I had was in having to update the firmware on the motherboard for Resizable BAR (and it's not an ancient mobo, Zen 3), and then re-installing GRUB because it didn't want to boot the drive after the firmware update.

          I'm having some issues in games with Sonic X Shadow Generations giving me green blocks all over the screen, although the game does run. Hogwarts Academy seems to be happy at 2560x1440 and medium/high settings, and it doe support XeSS under Linux.

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          • Leopard
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2017
            • 348

            #15
            Originally posted by chuckula View Post
            I'm running mine right now! So far with the 6.12 kernel & Mesa 24.3 the card definitely does all the basics well, but the drivers need more tuning for better game compatibility. The biggest issue I had was in having to update the firmware on the motherboard for Resizable BAR (and it's not an ancient mobo, Zen 3), and then re-installing GRUB because it didn't want to boot the drive after the firmware update.

            I'm having some issues in games with Sonic X Shadow Generations giving me green blocks all over the screen, although the game does run. Hogwarts Academy seems to be happy at 2560x1440 and medium/high settings, and it doe support XeSS under Linux.
            Can you try INTEL_DEBUG=norbc or INTEL_DEBUG=noccs with that Sonic game?

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            • chuckula
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 844

              #16
              Originally posted by Leopard View Post

              Can you try INTEL_DEBUG=norbc or INTEL_DEBUG=noccs with that Sonic game?
              I will try when I get the chance to run it again and get back to you.

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              • bnolsen
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 276

                #17
                As for nvidia vs radeon. The only systems I've had serious problems with updates breaking has almost always been with nvidia systems and not with amd systems. cuda isn't reliable enough to use, maybe it is on the 1-2 distros that nvidia targets maybe.

                I won't buy nvidia unless it's a screaming deal, like the 3060 12gb i got for my daughter's computer which ended up being useless because of how unstable cuda is on the system. I also spend more time having to fix things on her system than any other systems i have (2 with rx 5700xt's, 6500xt and 6700xt).

                I would think that intel should be as stable as amd cards for general use and am much more willing to buy one to replace the 5700xt i have in my system.

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                • avis
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2022
                  • 2257

                  #18
                  Originally posted by bnolsen View Post
                  As for nvidia vs radeon. The only systems I've had serious problems with updates breaking has almost always been with nvidia systems and not with amd systems. cuda isn't reliable enough to use, maybe it is on the 1-2 distros that nvidia targets maybe.

                  I won't buy nvidia unless it's a screaming deal, like the 3060 12gb i got for my daughter's computer which ended up being useless because of how unstable cuda is on the system. I also spend more time having to fix things on her system than any other systems i have (2 with rx 5700xt's, 6500xt and 6700xt).

                  I would think that intel should be as stable as amd cards for general use and am much more willing to buy one to replace the 5700xt i have in my system.
                  Never had an NVIDIA update breaking anything in 20+ users of using it under Linux. Would be great if you provided actual examples with topics on the NVIDIA forums because otherwise it's anecdotal evidence I tend not to take seriously. The issues I've had with NVIDIA are documented in threads with hundreds of replies and tens of thousands of views.

                  For instance they couldn't be bothered to fix i2c support for more than four years. Too few users I presume.

                  Then they had an issue in the driver which resulted in NVIDIA cards staying in the highest performance mode for far too long. Took them two years to fix. Again, it was no big deal for them, the market wasn't there.

                  Originally posted by Leopard View Post

                  Pls
                  I'm a happy 4070S user. I game under Windows though, the OS that NVIDIA targets and supports. Expecting NVIDIA to bend over to support DXVK/Wine/Proton for the whole 0.3% of its users? Most Linux users do not game. Too many studios that attempted to port Windows games to Linux just went bankrupt because sales were abysmal. That's wishful thinking.

                  In Linux I've used CUDA a lot and it's been great.
                  Last edited by avis; 17 December 2024, 04:21 PM.

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                  • Leopard
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2017
                    • 348

                    #19
                    Originally posted by avis View Post

                    Never had an NVIDIA update breaking anything in 20+ users of using it under Linux. Would be great if you provided actual examples with topics on the NVIDIA forums because otherwise it's anecdotal evidence I tend not to take seriously. The issues I've had with NVIDIA are documented in threads with hundreds of replies and tens of thousands of views.

                    For instance they couldn't be bothered to fix i2c support for more than four years. Too few users I presume.

                    Then they had an issue in the driver which resulted in NVIDIA cards staying in the highest performance mode for far too long. Took them two years to fix. Again, it was no big deal for them, the market wasn't there.



                    I'm a happy 4070S user. I game under Windows though, the OS that NVIDIA targets and supports. Expecting NVIDIA to bend over to support DXVK/Wine/Proton for the whole 0.3% of its users? Most Linux users do not game. Too many studios that attempted to port Windows games to Linux just went bankrupt because sales were abysmal. That's wishful thinking.

                    In Linux I've used CUDA a lot and it's been great.
                    Sure, then you too disagree with the guy that comments on this very Phoronix thread (that Phoronix being Linux centric and news;tests being about it) with a message that i quoted that says, for everything NV is the solution?

                    Glad we agreed on that.

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                    • aufkrawall
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 1600

                      #20
                      Originally posted by avis View Post
                      I'm a happy 4070S user. I game under Windows though, the OS that NVIDIA targets and supports.
                      And nobody on these forums give a f*ck about that. You might as well start talking to your wall, in case you're not already doing that.

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