Intel Lands "Round Robin Strict" Driver Optimization For Helping Battlemage/Xe2

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  • cutterjohn
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 330

    #11
    Originally posted by creative View Post
    Let's hope intel keeps working hard and continueing it's GPU trajectory. I feel pretty battered after paying what I have for a RTX 4070 Ti Super, just to get an ok NVIDIA GPU with 16GB of VRAM. Sure I could have went with the 7900XT but as far as scalers go DLSS seems to be noticeably better, I'd rather not use scalers but that is where games have gone in terms of generating high fps experiences.
    XeSS on Intel is pretty good IME...

    40W?! That's a massive regression from my a770 which idles around 8W on average, and Ive seen it go as low as 4W IIRC... still not as good as nVidia or AMD but livable...

    Im OK w/what likely will be the B7XX gaming perf, I just hope that compute has improved more, but the B5XX I have no interest in...

    [EDIT]

    Ah now that you mention ASPM I BELIEVE that Intel DID tell people to enable it for the Alchemist series!

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    [EDIT2]

    my 8W avg IS with 2 monitors attached! 1x1440p (landscape) and 1x1080p (portrait)...

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    Last edited by cutterjohn; 14 December 2024, 09:30 AM.

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    • creative
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2017
      • 870

      #12
      cutterjohn Well I hope they keep it up both Intel and AMD. This releasing 8GB 60 series cards and 12GB 70's series cards is undoubtlable hubris on the part of NVIDIA. Don't get me wrong they make good GPU's but price gouging the customer and saying f-you with lower memory on card tiers that will clearly need the extra VRAM is very anti consumer, I think they do it cause they know they can. Huang has forgotten the gamers that helped make his business, it's sort of like when Metallica told their fans "We don't need you." I'm honestly kind of pissed about all this, cause I've been on the recieving end obviously.

      NVIDIA has really kind of become a bully to gamers.
      Last edited by creative; 14 December 2024, 09:09 PM.

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      • AndyChow
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 771

        #13
        Test the power usage. Round robin costs more electricity, IME.

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        • chuckula
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 844

          #14
          I just picked mine up at Microcenter today!

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          • MillionToOne
            Phoronix Member
            • Aug 2024
            • 108

            #15
            Originally posted by fafreeman View Post
            After watching this video from Gamers Nexus:

            It doesn't seem like there is anything much more than can do for Alchemist. Alchemist emulates a lot of stuff because it doesn't have native, direct hardware for certain features. Like "Compute dispatch" and "Draw" if you watch the video.
            And I'm not talking about Windows

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            • pong
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2022
              • 316

              #16
              Originally posted by AdrianBc View Post

              The published reviews have shown that enabling the PCIe Active State Power Management (ASPM), both in the BIOS settings and in the operating system, reduces the idle power consumption for B580 from 36 W to 7 W, which is very close to the AMD and NVIDIA GPUs.
              The "solution" isn't complete though until everyone can use it.
              There are MANY motherboards / "BIOS" versions where one is given ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL of ASPM related settings for the DGPU (or anything else) and the "mandatory defaults" are apparently to just keep everything running using high power all the time.

              This is intel, they design / make a large fraction of the CPUs, motherboard chipsets, system peripherals, and thus have a lot of control indirectly or directly over BIOS & driver level support for PCs in general.

              ARC DG2 GPUs came out in 2022 and had approximately these same problems and it was IIRC around the start of 2024 when they started paying any attention to high idle power use for ARC and
              the workaround advice wrt ASPM settings were unusable for a lot of people that had no such options or could not use them without causing crashes / instability due to whatever else not working well with ASPM modes enabled.

              So given intel's vast competence in PC architecture / drivers / bios / OSs we'd kind of expect them to "get the job done" and pervasively change whatever is needed in the BIOS / OS / hardware design / firmware / drivers et. al. to make ASPM "just work" for modern PCs so it can be used effectively / reliably for their products and all other peripherals.

              To launch generation #2 of DGPUs in 2024 with the same old problems for multi-monitor power use, higher refresh rate power use, and "needs ASPM manually set in the BIOS even though not so ubiquitously possible" problems unsolved since 2022 is disappointing especially when AMD, NV have better power management in practice.

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