Intel Arc B580 Delivers Promising Linux GPU Compute Potential For Battlemage

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  • L_A_G
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2015
    • 1611

    #21
    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
    I assume you guys are talking about Linus' Tech Tips.

    He has claimed that he was offered 100 million dollars for LTT and turned it down.
    Yes and Elizabeth Holmes sold stock in Theranos for far, far more than that. Someone giving you, or offering to give you, money for a business is hardly proof of everything when speculation is a rampant as it is. Just look at how many dotcom millionaires made out like bandits selling essentially worthless companies to investors.
    "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."

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    • stormcrow
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2017
      • 1514

      #22
      Originally posted by Svyatko View Post

      Big internal HW changes to better fit games, needs rework for GPGPU.
      They don't need to make the same mistake as AMD with their client cards and ROCm/HIP. Gaming isn't driving GPU purchases any more even for client systems, especially in Linux. Much of gaming has moved to the console market or casual gaming to mobile form factor. Compute is the driving force in GPU performance these days, with the desktop market taking a back seat to data center product cash cows. Annoying, but understandable from a business perspective.

      What concerns me is that this is not a very good card for Blender artists. As an artist, most of the time your GPU is going to be near (but not quite) idle as you create your scenes. It only kicks into high gear when you ask Blender to render the scene. So the majority of your time you're going to be burning between 20-30 Watts more than a card that may cost $50 more depending on sales. I'm sure there's people that don't care about that, but the power use adds up in aggregate plus cooling the ambient temperature in the room, especially if you live in an area with hot summers (like I do) and/or energy bills are expensive (like much of Europe, some regions of the US). I was hoping Battlemage would solve my problem with which card to get if I want to dive into Blender in a big way without Windows, but it doesn't. Not with that power envelope regardless of future Blender render performance optimizations. I'll be looking at AMD or Nvidia instead, and that's unfortunate.
      Last edited by stormcrow; 13 December 2024, 10:28 AM.

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      • pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2020
        • 1582

        #23
        Originally posted by stormcrow View Post

        They don't need to make the same mistake as AMD with their client cards and ROCm/HIP. Gaming isn't driving GPU purchases any more even for client systems, especially in Linux. Much of gaming has moved to the console market or casual gaming to mobile form factor. Compute is the driving force in GPU performance these days, with the desktop market taking a back seat to data center product cash cows. Annoying, but understandable from a business perspective.

        What concerns me is that this is not a very good card for Blender artists. As an artist, most of the time your GPU is going to be near (but not quite) idle as you create your scenes. It only kicks into high gear when you ask Blender to render the scene. So the majority of your time you're going to be burning between 20-30 Watts more than a card that may cost $50 more depending on sales. I'm sure there's people that don't care about that, but the power use adds up in aggregate plus cooling the ambient temperature in the room, especially if you live in an area with hot summers (like I do) and/or energy bills are expensive (like much of Europe, some regions of the US). I was hoping Battlemage would solve my problem with which card to get if I want to dive into Blender in a big way without Windows, but it doesn't. Not with that power envelope regardless of future Blender render performance optimizations. I'll be looking at AMD or Nvidia instead, and that's unfortunate.
        It idles at ~7W with ASPM enabled. All of the variables around idle power consumption are certainly interesting. My 6700 XT idle usage is high with a triple monitor 1440p@165 setup.

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        • sophisticles
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2015
          • 2591

          #24
          Originally posted by L_A_G View Post
          Just look at how many dotcom millionaires made out like bandits selling essentially worthless companies to investors.
          You mean like Mark Cuban?

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          • L_A_G
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2015
            • 1611

            #25
            Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
            You mean like Mark Cuban?
            Him, Sunny Balwani (Elizabeth Holms' boyfriend during her fraud), Elon Musk, Brewster Kahle and many more...
            "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."

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            • smitty3268
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 6957

              #26
              Originally posted by sophisticles View Post

              Actually what Elon said was that he was taking Tesla private at $420 a share. as a joke for his pot loving girlfriend.

              The SEC was not amused and fined him 10 million bucks for his little joke.
              A "joke", right. Exactly. How much do you want to bet Linus's discussion of a $100 million offer was a "joke" too, if you had legal authority to dig into it?

              My point is it's really easy to say stuff on Twitter, no matter how true it is. And if it makes you and your personally owned business look good, why not say it? Not to say he's just completely making stuff up, maybe there was some brief conversation where the # came up, or some 3rd party evaluation where the number was bandied about as a possibility. But I'm skeptical of just taking his word that he was seriously offered that much and turned it down. Show me the paperwork in that case, because otherwise I'm assuming it was just a "joke".
              Last edited by smitty3268; 14 December 2024, 08:10 PM.

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              • danilw
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2024
                • 34

                #27
                Originally posted by ms178 View Post
                I am surprised, apart from some odd results, this looks very impressive for a 250 USD card.
                ...
                previous generation Arc with 16GB VRAM - in many cases today mid-8core CPU render graphics and process ML-tasks faster on CPU-software than on those GPU.
                Making 16GB - pointless because if CPU with 32+GB ram do same job faster...

                3060 12GB exist - but many people agree that "you do not need 12GB on that slow GPU" - and prefer 4060 that is much faster.

                Correct benchmark could be - popular modern multiplayer games - that dont need vram (they fine even on <4GB) - and just look on its performance stutters and 1% low.
                Also test on "actual low-mid level CPU" to see if there problems related to CPU speed. (not on 9800x3d that alone cost like two gpus)

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