Intel Announces Arc B-Series "Battlemage" Discrete Graphics With Linux Support

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  • Jumbotron
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2015
    • 1246

    #21
    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
    I think this is the market that Intel should be concentrating on aggressively,

    AMD has abandoned the dGPU gaming market, I would even say they have abandoned the consumer CPU market in favor of chasing the high profit margins of the AI/ML/HPC/Datacenter markets that NVIDIA has been getting all fat from.

    And this is fine, the purpose of a business is to make as much money as they legally can.

    But it does leave a huge glaring emptiness in the low end and mid range consumer market, the markets that allowed NVIDIA and AMD to make a name for themselves in the first place all those years ago.

    Intel has breadth said they do not want to try to challenge NVIDIA at the high end AI market, but I think everyone is wrongly ignoring the low to mid end AI/gaming/video consumer markets.

    While i tend to favor NVIDIA graphics cards, the price point of these coupled with their video capabilities does make them an attractive buy.
    I would agree with you that AMD has basically abandoned the dGPU gaming market and consumer CPU market if for no other reason that on their latest investor analyst call Lisa Su and gang spent maybe…maybe 10 minutes tops talking about client side computing vs data center and enterprise computing. There’s just very little margin anymore in consumer computing and AMD is acting like it.

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    • Cmdr_Zod
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2023
      • 16

      #22
      Originally posted by lyamc View Post
      Am I like the only one excited for these? I like to not spend ridiculous prices for decent GPU performance
      I'm not a bit fan of Intel (or nvidia), and for the last 10 years I always used AMD cards, they performed well with open source driver and had enough power for the occasional game. Still, I would sometimes wish for a bit more performance than my RX 6400 can deliver. If Intel sells something in the sub 75W-class with a decent amount of memory and sensible idle consumption, I may change my mind and give them a try.

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      • MNKyDeth
        Phoronix Member
        • Aug 2007
        • 52

        #23
        Hopefully when these cards get benchmarket there are encoding tests as well. Jellyfin/Plex scenarios etc.

        Absolutely love my A380's for this. Would be nice to see how much better these cards do for this workload.

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        • Svyatko
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2020
          • 208

          #24
          Originally posted by ikoz View Post
          Will there be a 7 series (B770, 16GB VRAM and 256 bit bus width?).
          B580 might have lower performance than A580 on FluidX3D, which depends (like most HPC workloads) on memory bandwidth. The A-series really excelled at it, even surpassing 4070.
          A770 A580 B580 4060 4070
          560 GB/s 512 GB/s 456 GB/s 272 GB/s 504 GB/s
          20 TFLOP/s 12 TFLOP/s 14 TFLOP/s 15 TFLOP/s 15 TFLOP/s
          I know this is a niche use, and most here would care about gaming, but I still think it is important.
          IMHO Intel is waiting for next gen cards from AMD & Nvidia.
          B580/B570 cards have the right placement and can get good market share.

          B770/B750 cards will compete with not-yet-estimated rivals.

          Intel Arc A580 - 10.5 TFLOPS
          GeForce RTX 4070 - 29.1 TFLOPS
          .
          A770 16 GB A580 B580 4060 4070
          560 GB/s 512 GB/s 456 GB/s 272 GB/s 504 GB/s
          19.7 TFLOPS 10.5 TFLOPS 14.6 TFLOPS 15.1 TFLOPS 29.1 TFLOPS

          ILL Intel Battlemage is good for AI and modern games with RT + XeSS(FSR) + FG, when 8 GB VRAM is not enough.
          Last edited by Svyatko; 03 December 2024, 04:13 PM.

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          • pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2020
            • 1579

            #25
            These are actually quite interesting to me. The B580 might perform reasonably close to my RX 6700 XT, but with way better ray tracing performance and officially supported GPU compute. For a $250 launch MSRP that's pretty compelling.

            The driver situation should be quite a bit better than the Alchemist launch (although still not nearly as good as AMD / NVIDIA). But the looming specter of Intel's financial situation leading them to abandon product lines like this will probably keep most people away . I hope the lure of enterprise GPU compute margins keeps them in the game.

            My big question, does Battlemage require ReBAR / SAM to be useful in gaming, or did they improve the memory controller?

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            • pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2020
              • 1579

              #26
              Also, I miss power connectors being at the ends of cards, especially the workstation card setup with them being on the true side edge instead of the top.
              Last edited by pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx; 03 December 2024, 04:49 PM.

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              • pong
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2022
                • 316

                #27
                So cool!

                I'll be getting first in line to upgrade the A770-16GB to B580-12GB, especially considering the great stability & upgrade path of compute / media, i915/Xe driver functions, the first class LINUX settings / configuration / sensor monitoring & board control GUI / CLI / API support that works JUST LIKE IGCL + ARC Control CENTER for MSWindows, industry leading LINUX power management, et. al.!

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                • mrg666
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2023
                  • 1065

                  #28
                  Intel GPUs are working great for me. They have made significant progress with Linux (and Windows) drivers based on my experience with A770 and A580. I would just buy the new B580 for the right price. I hope they improved their power requirements though. Both A770 and A580 use more power than AMD and Nvidia for similar performance.

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                  • arslivinski
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2023
                    • 7

                    #29
                    I was waiting for this to buy the parts for my new home server. I would prefer an Intel CPU with Integrated Graphics, but they don't support ECC Memory. Furthermore, if the compute side is good, I might start running some IA locally.

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                    • bug77
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 6515

                      #30
                      Originally posted by pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx View Post
                      These are actually quite interesting to me. The B580 might perform reasonably close to my RX 6700 XT, but with way better ray tracing performance and officially supported GPU compute. For a $250 launch MSRP that's pretty compelling.

                      The driver situation should be quite a bit better than the Alchemist launch (although still not nearly as good as AMD / NVIDIA). But the looming specter of Intel's financial situation leading them to abandon product lines like this will probably keep most people away . I hope the lure of enterprise GPU compute margins keeps them in the game.
                      i740 was abandoned rather quickly, too. Yet those who bought those cards were still able to enjoy them for a long while.

                      Originally posted by pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx View Post
                      My big question, does Battlemage require ReBAR / SAM to be useful in gaming, or did they improve the memory controller?
                      As far as I understood, yes, ReBAR is still required.

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