Windows 11 vs. Ubuntu 24.10 Performance For Intel Core Ultra 7 Lunar Lake

[Gabbb]

I don't see the information if the Defender was turned off on Windows (that might be cause to some of the performance decrease). Also what about other CPU mitigation stuff? Was it equal between the 2 systems? Not "defending" Windows (or Linux for that matter), just thinking if the comparison was fair. Thanks.

Turning off defender is a highly unrealistic scenario that shouldn't be done on Windows, fair or not.

[Espionage724]

Turning off defender is a highly unrealistic scenario that shouldn't be done on Windows, fair or not.

Why? Can't be worse than people using Fedora and then disabling SELinux

Generally speaking, Defender is just a resource hog that doesn't offer a benefit over common-sense of not trying to run Spiderman-movie.exe

I used Windows prior to Vista and know what it was like without Defender. First steps onto any 10 or 11 install for me is disabling the service and real-time scanning.

[fahrenheit]

Why? Can't be worse than people using Fedora and then disabling SELinux

Generally speaking, Defender is just a resource hog that doesn't offer a benefit over common-sense of not trying to run Spiderman-movie.exe

I used Windows prior to Vista and know what it was like without Defender. First steps onto any 10 or 11 install for me is disabling the service and real-time scanning.

While disabling stuff is fine on your home install, most corporate setups completely disable those options. Right now we (the developers in a company) are discussing with IT and security, what can be disabled or at least left to the users to tune if they take a performance hit because for a simple compilation test we have results like this:

M2 pro (macos), 24s
M1 pro (macos), 39s
I7-8565U (linux), 1m34s
I7-8550U (win10, no defender submissions), 2m29s
I7-1167G7 (win10, default defender), 3m40s

So, Michael's tests when comparing defaul setups are important. They obviously aren't as much for those of us who (think) they know what they are doing.

[Smurphy]

The other thing to look out for is the new windows virtualisation based security that they have now turned on by default.

This is again a marketing gag. If you really want to secure a OS, you do it at the base and structure from the start, not tape some security feature on top of the rotten trunk like AV's, Defender and virtualisation based security etc.
What a craptacular mess...

[Smurphy]

Fun fact: sometimes, when I start Visual Studio 2022, there's a brief lag where I can see the Vista-era window decorations for half a second.

That is per design. Because windows by default is very slow, a requirement in software design is that apps starts painting UI elements before having a loaded application. But that is very old already.

Also, take in account that under ubuntu (going snap), load times have increased drastically (reason my first action when installing ubuntu is to purge snapd in its entirety).

[topolinik]

Michael I actually expected Ubuntu 24.04 as a third competitor, being it a LTS release which, after six months, has now some updates and fine tunings.

[HEL88]

It is worth mentioning that Windows 11 has HVCI (Hypervisor-Protected Code Integrity) enabled by default. Standard linux distributions can only dream of such a level of kernel security.

It used to be Linux that led the way in security implementation, but now windows is on top.

By security specialists this type of security is rated very highly. Without it, system can be compromised, and you won't even know it's there. This is an important feature in large companies.

And those who don't need this level of security, because they know what they are doing (e.g. me ) can turn it off with one click.

[Raka555]

That is per design. Because windows by default is very slow, a requirement in software design is that apps starts painting UI elements before having a loaded application. But that is very old already.

Also, take in account that under ubuntu (going snap), load times have increased drastically (reason my first action when installing ubuntu is to purge snapd in its entirety).

The fastest computer I ever worked on was a 486DX4-100 with 32MB RAM and an S3-Trio(i think) 2D-card, was some or other S3) in 1995. It was brand new computers in a small lab at the University.
They ran the last Slackware distro that were statically linked( can't remember the version).

Opening netscape, xterm or any other App felt like they were open before you even finished clicking on them.
It was genuinely a case of if you blink, you missed it.
I have never since experienced any desktop that got even close to that level of responsiveness ...

The responsiveness just went down hill from there.

[Smurphy]

Michael I actually expected Ubuntu 24.04 as a third competitor, being it a LTS release which, after six months, has now some updates and fine tunings.

And windows has no constant updates applied? At least under Ubuntu, I can contine working while applying updates

[Smurphy]

The fastest computer I ever worked on was a 486DX4-100 with 32MB RAM and an S3-Trio(i think) 2D-card, was some or other S3) in 1995. It was brand new computers in a small lab at the University.
They ran the last Slackware distro that were statically linked( can't remember the version).

Opening netscape, xterm or any other App felt like they were open before you even finished clicking on them.
It was genuinely a case of if you blink, you missed it.
I have never since experienced any desktop that got even close to that level of responsiveness ...

The responsiveness just went down hill from there.

I bet that if you use fvwm2 Window manager, your experience will be blazing fast.
Ok, I admit that nowadays on 64 bit, there is way more binary code to read and load into memory, but with fvwm2 the desktop won't use lots of resources!