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  • Espionage724
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2024
    • 381

    #11
    Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
    Fuck Intel, and AMD for still refusing to give us control panels similar tot their Windows ones!
    To do what?

    I mean yeah I could go for an integrated cool-looking GUI, but intel_gpu_top tells me more than all I need to know (Renderer), and the only thing I need a GPU control panel for is changing default Limited RGB on HDMI to Full and intel has a display prop for that easy through xrandr and proptest (AMD the leaders never re-added that prop radeonsi -> amdgpu)

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    • stormcrow
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2017
      • 1517

      #12
      Originally posted by fafreeman View Post
      if pat is really keen on arc like he has talked about as being apart of intel's future, along with the rumors, then their gpu division as a whole might be more safe than others. especially considering they already had a shake up when arc failed to break into the market with a lot of people already fired (like raja koduri) / laid off / moved to other departments.
      Restructuring after a product launch is SOP. The development emphasis changes from initial design to taking existing designs and refining and revamping them. These are two different specializations. Arc's not a failure, neither is Alchemy. They're first generation products with first generation teething troubles, glitches, bugs, requiring refinement. Xe2 is yet a new refinement and it will require another several months before the Linux client support shapes up. That's par for the course in Linux client support regardless of vendor because of so few significant deployments of Linux based client hardware. All of the money is on server and compute cluster with clients mostly still using Windows, yes, even for those supporting Linux servers.

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      • coder
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2014
        • 8952

        #13
        Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
        was arc a failure? My understanding of it was that it was rather succsessful. While their dgpus specifcally haven't been superb, they did make some decent initial sales,
        Alchemist was a disaster. It was late to market, missed the crypto boom, arrived on an old node, lacked usable drivers, and even performance with optimized drivers was so bad they had to discount it quite heavily. There's no way Intel turned a profit on Alchemist, let alone hit their actual business objectives for it.

        In the datacenter GPU market, I'm sure the situation was even worse. They cancelled both the mid-tier product and the successor to Ponte Vecchio (which was itself incredibly late and had its market scaled back). The only bright spot was the AI boom allowed them to squeak out a few Ponte Vecchio sales to the general public (i.e. outside of HPC contracts). Again, I doubt it was enough revenue to make the effort profitable. As much as I hate to say it, I think Intel should probably cancel Falcon Shores (which has already been cut back) and just cede the HPC GPU market to AMD and Nvidia. For AI, they have Habana, so the only market they'd really be losing is HPC.

        Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
        ​with intel's data center, consumer, and igpu all sharing the same cores
        They actually don't, which is part of the problem. They took the approach that each needed to be a separate design that was tuned for its respective market. They've said they got beat up for this, and it's one of the things they're changing in future designs (probably Celestial & Druid).

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        • lhilden
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2024
          • 3

          #14
          So Intel Linux driver and "user-space" developers appear to be most impacted thus far. Any word on how the layoffs affected the ClearLinux team?
          Last edited by lhilden; 03 October 2024, 12:22 PM.

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          • Quackdoc
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2020
            • 5072

            #15
            Originally posted by gentoofu View Post

            I agree. It's alive and it's improving. Here are some peculiar throwbacks on Arc's success.
            yup, I was given the A380 to keep permanently. So I no longer need to return it, I plan to dive head first into stuff like OC and voltage control when linux allows it, but have been thinking about doing a basic volt mod, but until linux properly reports temps, im not going to touch that. That being said, it's really not a bad experience. Some games don't work, but well, some games don't work on my rx 580 either.

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            • Quackdoc
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2020
              • 5072

              #16
              Originally posted by coder View Post
              Alchemist was a disaster. It was late to market, missed the crypto boom, arrived on an old node, lacked usable drivers, and even performance with optimized drivers was so bad they had to discount it quite heavily. There's no way Intel turned a profit on Alchemist, let alone hit their actual business objectives for it.

              In the datacenter GPU market, I'm sure the situation was even worse. They cancelled both the mid-tier product and the successor to Ponte Vecchio (which was itself incredibly late and had its market scaled back). The only bright spot was the AI boom allowed them to squeak out a few Ponte Vecchio sales to the general public (i.e. outside of HPC contracts). Again, I doubt it was enough revenue to make the effort profitable. As much as I hate to say it, I think Intel should probably cancel Falcon Shores (which has already been cut back) and just cede the HPC GPU market to AMD and Nvidia. For AI, they have Habana, so the only market they'd really be losing is HPC.
              Firstly, intel was never going to generate a profit on alchemist. Anyone who thought they would is absolutely bonkers. Intel even announced that they were under pricing the cards to entice early adopters because they needed the testing database. It's a first generation product. Issues like this are to be expected. Intel aren't retards, they new this, they recouped some cost of production, but they got far more valuable stuff, and as we can see with lunar lake, the xe2 cores are fairly great.

              Secondly Intel is actively still selling the flex gpus as far as I know. As for ponte vecchio being replaced by TPUs, It looks like the tpcs we see in it may very well be similar to what they are seeing in their other products.

              They actually don't, which is part of the problem. They took the approach that each needed to be a separate design that was tuned for its respective market. They've said they got beat up for this, and it's one of the things they're changing in future designs (probably Celestial & Druid).

              Are you sure about this? everything I have seen suggests an xe core is an xe core.

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              • Blech
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2024
                • 1

                #17
                So I just built a new system with Intel CPU. Does this news essentially spell out I'm screwed for long term support, or is this generally not going to affect general everyday system usage?

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                • rogerx
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 387

                  #18
                  About time the Assembly programmers accepted the retirement buy-out option!

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                  • Espionage724
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2024
                    • 381

                    #19
                    Originally posted by Blech View Post
                    So I just built a new system with Intel CPU. Does this news essentially spell out I'm screwed for long term support, or is this generally not going to affect general everyday system usage?
                    I very much don't expect this to affect general everyday system usage. The products on the article page (IFS, IME, IAA, oneAPI) I haven't personally touched since using Linux around 2016

                    (well, maybe a bit of IME until I straight-up disabled it at the firmware with HAP bit years ago )
                    Last edited by Espionage724; 04 October 2024, 12:36 PM.

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                    • Danny3
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 2408

                      #20
                      Originally posted by Espionage724 View Post
                      To do what?

                      I mean yeah I could go for an integrated cool-looking GUI, but intel_gpu_top tells me more than all I need to know (Renderer), and the only thing I need a GPU control panel for is changing default Limited RGB on HDMI to Full and intel has a display prop for that easy through xrandr and proptest (AMD the leaders never re-added that prop radeonsi -> amdgpu)
                      On AMD to do this:
                      Phoronix: Linux 6.13 Is A Great Holiday Gift For AMD Systems With Many New Features Of the many new features in Linux 6.13 for that kernel debuting by late January, AMD customers once again have a lot to look forward to from new Zen 5 features being enabled to additional performance optimizations. Here is a look at some of the

                      And on Intel to do the same things that you can do with the control panel they have for Windows.
                      And for them to actually contribute those features needed for the control panel options and toggles into the Linux drivers too as for sure they're missing since they use the no-control panel excuse.
                      Why implement all those things in Linux drivers if the control panel is missing?

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