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  • #11
    Originally posted by user1 View Post

    the most stable one is Nvidia's Windows driver.
    That I fully agree with. Their Linux driver is also rock solid when it works (currently there's a ton of issues with Linux 6.10/6.11 support, including broken suspend - the first time NVIDIA has dragged their a$$ for so long - I'm quite upset to be honest).

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    • #12
      ......and i remember a few news from Michael about so many patches from intel....

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Phoronix
        I'll have CPU/system benchmarks for the Core Ultra 256V article in the coming days
        Looking forward to it!

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        • #14
          Well there's a good reason for them not to send you a review unit . Interesting since it's the opposite on Windows. The iGPU performance and overall efficiency are quite good there, sometimes beating the 890M. This also means that MSI Claw gaming handheld refresh with Lunar Lake that I've been interested in will be a shit show early on with Bazzite or any other non-Windows OS.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by chuckula View Post
            It's too bad the drivers aren't ready for launch day. Something tells me the main development efforts are for Battlemage, which is of course launching later, and the IGP here is still clearly a work in progress.
            Xe2 is Battlemage !

            I think the Windows driver performance shows that it might not be so much iGPU performance that's not receiving focus, but rather the Linux drivers, in general. While I think it'd be nice if they were well-tuned, I suppose they meet the minimum bar of being functional and usable. Sadly, that's not something we could say of a lot of hardware under Linux, on launch day.

            I hope Intel's recent restructuring won't prevent Intel from eventually getting performance up-to-par, on these iGPUs. I'm genuinely worried about their GPU group, however.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by coder View Post
              Xe2 is Battlemage !

              I think the Windows driver performance shows that it might not be so much iGPU performance that's not receiving focus, but rather the Linux drivers, in general. While I think it'd be nice if they were well-tuned, I suppose they meet the minimum bar of being functional and usable. Sadly, that's not something we could say of a lot of hardware under Linux, on launch day.

              I hope Intel's recent restructuring won't prevent Intel from eventually getting performance up-to-par, on these iGPUs. I'm genuinely worried about their GPU group, however.
              XE2 is the same architecture as Battlemage, but the driver for Battlemage isn't ready yet and there is lots of optimization work that's not in the current driver for Lunar Lake. From Michael's review, the basic GPU does clearly work since the tests run. The issue is that the optimization work is clearly not there and it's probably waiting on the discrete GPU launch.

              On top of all of this, Lunar Lake & Battlemage are really the first big push of the new driver architecture, so I'm not shocked that there are teething issues.

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              • #17
                looking at power consumption it seems that intel tries to save too much power.
                amd 370 seems to be very constant and somehow it stay at the top of intel general spikes in power.
                now if intel will have constant power consumption (probably the same as 370) and igpu does not beats amd then that will be a total failure considering how much they brag about their new cpu and how useless is HT and consuming too much power.
                also that intel igpu should beat amd with a large % ahead to justify that power consumption somehow

                edit: also from what ive seen on yt (didnt look too much into this) even on windows is not doing that grate. the performance is all over the place in games
                Last edited by loganj; 30 September 2024, 10:46 AM.

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                • #18
                  This is so disappointing. Intel dropping the ball this hard with Linux to the point MTL is mopping the floor with LNL was not on my bingo card. I was hoping to build a small host with LNL after seeing the absurdly high prices on Strix small PCs. Hopefully Intel will try to fix this ASAP.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Paradigm Shifter View Post
                    Linux support didn't used to be a third class citizen in Intel-land.
                    I'd say the whole Intel IPU6 camera fiasco is a much better example of their timely Linux support occasionally being shit compared to this brand new SOC. We are two years into that mess, and the work being done now is still just around exposing the sensor data, no out-of-the-box hardware ISP support in sight. I just picked up an HP Dragonfly Elite G3 (Alder Lake) to take on trips. It's a fantastic little ultraportable in Windows. It's an IPU6 camera away from being a fantastic little ultraportable in Linux. Even the fingerprint sensor works out of the box in Linux. And it's a shame because it has an excellent 2560x1440 webcam (I think it's even 2560x1920 native if you want 4:3). This model came out two years ago.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx View Post

                      I'd say the whole Intel IPU6 camera fiasco is a much better example of their timely Linux support occasionally being shit compared to this brand new SOC.
                      I agree, thes IPU6 cameras are why you can't buy a good *BSD laptop anymore because from everything I've read support is non existent there. From everything I've read the last good ultraportable rugged ThinkPad that supports OpenBSD well is the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 9 which is before the extra E cores were introduced to Intel processors so it just rocks 4 P cores. The Gen 10 through Gen 13, 13 being Lunar Lake, all have teething problems on that BSD version.

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