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  • brosis
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    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    HD 7970m with intel ("amd enduro") with prime. prime support for radeonsi with xf86-video-ati and glamor is in the respective git master branches since a few days. I can't comment on radeonsi before that since it obviously wasn't supported for me.

    Linux 3.9rc4, mesa git, glamor git, xf86-video-intel git, xorg git, xf86-video-ati git. Should be about it.
    Kk. thanks a bunch!
    You use git nearly everywhere, so I suppose you are on source based distro?
    Just calculating the time it needs to hit binary ones... :/

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  • ChrisXY
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    HD 7970m with intel ("amd enduro") with prime. prime support for radeonsi with xf86-video-ati and glamor is in the respective git master branches since a few days. I can't comment on radeonsi before that since it obviously wasn't supported for me.

    Linux 3.9rc4, mesa git, glamor git, xf86-video-intel git, xorg git, xf86-video-ati git. Should be about it.

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  • brosis
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    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    Annoying bugs always take longer https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49571

    Seriously, intel has all sorts of problems with their driver unless you use lts kernels and software that has been tested for some months.
    From 3.6 you get these hangs, in 3.8 rc I think I had one variation reported and it got fixed quite quickly I think, perhaps it fixed some others too. I still sometimes can trigger it, maybe once every 20 minutes when playing nitronic rush. Now however it can recover after a few seconds without losing 3d acceleration so it's not that bad anymore.
    I think it is glued to OpenGL 3 transfer. I noticed a lot of problems on old Intel hardware when switching from 3.5. But I also see how fast and agressive they fix all issues reported, which is remarkable.

    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    I think they got better recently. A year ago or so I wasn't even able to rotate the screen without getting rendering glitches or X crashes in ubuntu.
    Multimonitor support is achilles heel of nvidia.

    Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
    Apparently s3tc is missing from radeonsi. That's not very good. On the other hand, many things render just fine, i.e. xonotic on "ultra" details. Performance could be better but is ok for now.
    Can you confirm you have HD7xxx working? What card? What kernel, mesa, xorg versions? Because from what I read, its huge mess and even long-term supporters switching from HD3xxx cry out loud and bust in tears.

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  • brosis
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    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    Yet they still shipped it with their SoC's, they knew the full consequences of doing so and they should be held responsible for their actions in these cases.
    To say that Intel is completely open source is a fallacy due to this fact.
    This is same as optimus and powerexpress. Short-term rendezvous nobody really like.

    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    Radeon also has a fast bug fix rate, not as high as Intel but still more than other community driver efforts.
    Yes, Intel is dedicated only to open driver with all its developers. Hence there is more of them and the driver is better.

    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    Also, to say that closed source drivers are bad and then to say the community isn't needed because said closed source drivers are 'superb' is very hypocritical.
    One should always strive to have both adequate open and closed source drivers, so that if support is dropped on the closed side the open side can continue to support that hardware.
    But, as such a proponent for these closed source drivers you seem to miss the point entirely.
    The point is - there should just be good drivers.
    A big wish if these good drivers are open too.

    But "one should always strive to have both adequate open and closed source drivers" :O.. wow, no comment, speechless.

    If the driver is good, there is no need in community.
    If the closed drivers are bad, there is nothing a community can do. If they are open - its opposite side of things, provided there is documentation and dedication.
    Documentation is partial, dedication is partial, there are two drivers which are lacking, but you are proud to have them in this state.
    Well, congratulations they found a customer xD
    Last edited by brosis; 03-27-2013, 02:59 PM.

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  • intellivision
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    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    GMA500/600 is not Intel.
    Yet they still shipped it with their SoC's, they knew the full consequences of doing so and they should be held responsible for their actions in these cases.
    To say that Intel is completely open source is a fallacy due to this fact.

    Bug fix speed for Intel is ~14 days. They are the driving force behind opensource and especially behind opengl. They work very hard with community and drivers are superb.
    Nvidia is virtually bug-free. They also don't need community since their driver is superb.
    Radeon also has a fast bug fix rate, not as high as Intel but still more than other community driver efforts.
    Also, to say that closed source drivers are bad and then to say the community isn't needed because said closed source drivers are 'superb' is very hypocritical.
    One should always strive to have both adequate open and closed source drivers, so that if support is dropped on the closed side the open side can continue to support that hardware.
    But, as such a proponent for these closed source drivers you seem to miss the point entirely.

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  • ChrisXY
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    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    Bug fix speed for Intel is ~14 days.
    Annoying bugs always take longer https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49571

    Seriously, intel has all sorts of problems with their driver unless you use lts kernels and software that has been tested for some months.
    From 3.6 you get these hangs, in 3.8 rc I think I had one variation reported and it got fixed quite quickly I think, perhaps it fixed some others too. I still sometimes can trigger it, maybe once every 20 minutes when playing nitronic rush. Now however it can recover after a few seconds without losing 3d acceleration so it's not that bad anymore.

    Currently in 3.9 rc and also in 3.8 it sometimes gets stuck when trying to from/to a tty to/from X.
    Code:
    [11538.531257] [drm:atom_op_jump] *ERROR* atombios stuck in loop for more than 5secs aborting
    [11538.531262] [drm:atom_execute_table_locked] *ERROR* atombios stuck executing D46E (len 62, WS 0, PS 0) @ 0xD48A
    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    They are the driving force behind opensource and especially behind opengl. They work very hard with community and drivers are superb.
    Yes, they do. But in my experience AMD does too. Try reporting a bug in the open source radeon driver and you have a good chance that in less than a day someone will have looked at it and posted a response or a patch to test.

    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    Nvidia is virtually bug-free. They also don't need community since their driver is superb.
    I think they got better recently. A year ago or so I wasn't even able to rotate the screen without getting rendering glitches or X crashes in ubuntu.

    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    opensource HD7xxx - fail. Hardware is available since over a year.
    Apparently s3tc is missing from radeonsi. That's not very good. On the other hand, many things render just fine, i.e. xonotic on "ultra" details. Performance could be better but is ok for now.

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  • brosis
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    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    Intel, except for the GMA500 and 600 series, are open source. And they still continue to manufacture chips with PowerVR graphics, so that first statement is false.
    GMA500/600 is not Intel.

    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    The second statement is very false too, all drivers have issues. While Nvidia may have fewer issues, they community approach has been literally nil after nv was dumped.
    AMD at least has the decency to contribute to their open source driver effort, something which Nvidia refuses to do.
    Bug fix speed for Intel is ~14 days. They are the driving force behind opensource and especially behind opengl. They work very hard with community and drivers are superb.
    Nvidia is virtually bug-free. They also don't need community since their driver is superb.

    This is especially accurate if one uses last generation hardware. The quality of the driver for last generation hardware broadcasts the simple message of "Yes, we want you to buy our hardware, hence we work on the drivers hard".
    Intel - success. Nvidia - success. AMD - closed source more/less stabilized, opensource HD7xxx - fail. Hardware is available since over a year.

    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
    And there is always the radeon option, if closed source is an issue for you, which it appears not since you have no problem with Nvidia being closed source.
    Yes, closed source - fail, opensource fail. There is always an option to use Intel or nvidia.

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  • intellivision
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    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    Intel drivers are opensource.
    Nvidia has no issues.

    AMD is closed source and broken.
    Intel, except for the GMA500 and 600 series, are open source. And they still continue to manufacture chips with PowerVR graphics, so that first statement is false.

    The second statement is very false too, all drivers have issues. While Nvidia may have fewer issues, they community approach has been literally nil after nv was dumped.
    AMD at least has the decency to contribute to their open source driver effort, something which Nvidia refuses to do.

    And there is always the radeon option, if closed source is an issue for you, which it appears not since you have no problem with Nvidia being closed source.

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  • brosis
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    Originally posted by molecule-eye View Post
    I don't get all the AMD hate. I've just gone back to linux (from OS X) and am now running the latest beta Catalyst, and everything seems to be working just dandy. I run a handful of steam games (SS3, CS Source, Bastion, Trine 2, HL, Shank 2) without much issue. I won't say NO issue, because there are some, but the same is true of nvidia and intel.
    Intel drivers are opensource.
    Nvidia has no issues.

    AMD is closed source and broken.

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  • molecule-eye
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    Why all the hate?

    I don't get all the AMD hate. I've just gone back to linux (from OS X) and am now running the latest beta Catalyst, and everything seems to be working just dandy. I run a handful of steam games (SS3, CS Source, Bastion, Trine 2, HL, Shank 2) without much issue. I won't say NO issue, because there are some, but the same is true of nvidia and intel.

    There's really only two main things I wish AMD would sort out with their linux drivers. First, feature parity with Windows. Second, polish (no watermark on beta, no weird default settings like underscan, etc.) Other than that, I think they're doing a pretty good job with steadily improving their linux drivers. (Oh yeah, how about useful change logs?)

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