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  • #41
    Originally posted by adamk View Post
    Sounds like you're doing the whining here.
    Yeah, I took a page out of their playbook Apparently you can actually influence AMD with whining, at least it worked for them.

    I just think it makes more sense to focus resources on developing 3D drivers for hardware where this is no longer an alternative in the form of an up-to-date binary driver.
    I don't expect a hardware company to support > 3 year old cards, that's like a lifetime in the area that ATI/AMD is operative in, they should leave it to the community and not support it at the expense of support for this generation's cards. And no fglrx doesn't cut it.

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    • #42
      that's what still crap about ati drivers in linux; you either stick witht nicely that old card that's got a driver that's nicely built, seldom breaks but supports few features, or you can buy a new card and get a horribly broken, 'full feature' support driver ...

      there is no in between.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by monraaf View Post
        +1

        For crying out loud stimulate the economy and buy some new hardware. The minute you bought your card you should have known that sooner or later ATI/AMD was going to drop support for it. I can't believe that AMD is actually considering shifting resources to the R300 driver. AFAIK GLSL for R600 is far from complete and there isn't even 3D support for R800 yet, but it looks likes the whiners who refuse to upgrade their hardware got their way . You guys are holding back progress on the Linux desktop.
        thats true,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but why sould amd pay Dev's for "not work at there new products" ?

        the specs are out and the openGL2 support will come to R500...

        but for now.... thats it!
        Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
          thats true,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but why sould amd pay Dev's for "not work at their new products" ?
          cause they might lose customers that way.

          ppl using linux sometimes tend to have older setups, but still they need hardware, dont they, so if they cut support, or dont support certain graphic solutions at all, and a customer has one, he might simply buy nvidia next time.

          but i ve heard things are getting better. with supporting new hardware since its release date, and the work thats been done on the open source driver. still you need to be very patient, which isnt one of my strongest treats.


          cause i have a problem:
          maybe im the only one, but im trying to get the only game i am playing running - for a whole year almost. yes, try, since amd put my r300 on legacy support.
          so im hoping with every open source driver release, to fix the bug.
          i get 3-4k fps on glxgears, nice video (although streaming isnt really well implemented, since it doesnt buffer too well - but thats not the graphics drivers side)
          but 1-2fps on the game, which worked fine with fglrx.
          so somethings still amiss, i somehow guess its the supported resolutions and colour settings, the list is pretty short!(--> glxinfo)
          at least its the only thing i can see which is different on a setup im using temporarily with intel i915 chip, where it works fine!

          "progress"... every thing is about progress these days. but where to?
          sure its a battle for customers, and thereare some that need high end solutions for video-editing, or blasting the opponents brains out in games, or for gpr processing.ok. thats fair.
          but as a customer i think one can say that having payed money one expects some service. and its ok to drop support for old hardware. AT A CERTAIN STATE! its like going to the train station and getting told the train you want to get wont come within the next half a year or maybe up to 2 years. dont tell me you wont get pissed off.
          so, simply its a case of calculating how many customers you can piss off. cause i doubt the drivers for r300 arent working on windoze vista or vista 2.0 (aka win7). its nothing wrong about it. its simply the way it is i guess. money rules
          Last edited by jakubo; 12-08-2009, 06:08 AM.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            do not Blame the opensource driver only because you do not wana spend 20€ for an supportet cart!
            So you suggest that people who bought an expensive r500 GPU, such as an x1950, now go out and buy a cheaper, slower, but newer card in order to get support for features that they used to have in fglrx? Simply because you don't want AMD to spend more resources on r300-r500 cards?

            Adam
            Last edited by adamk; 12-08-2009, 06:13 AM.

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            • #46
              bridgman, how about giving us a quick summary of the state of GLSL on r3xx-r5xx and r6xx-r7xx hardware with the open source drivers?

              Adam

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              • #47
                Originally posted by pedepy View Post
                that's what still crap about ati drivers in linux; you either stick witht nicely that old card that's got a driver that's nicely built, seldom breaks but supports few features, or you can buy a new card and get a horribly broken, 'full feature' support driver ...

                there is no in between.
                Why are some people content with 'The Community' doing the support? They don't have the money behind them. They go at their own pace. They have no one to answer to. When you are an owner of one of those cards, they are not worried about you changing cards or selling your hardware.

                It seems the support is poor anyway and the support for the proprietary driver is always extremely poor. The money is with Winodws. Thus, that is where the support is. I still read tons of posts from various places/forums based on problems with newer Radeon HD cards and I'm not just talking about the Evergreen cards.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Panix View Post
                  Why are some people content with 'The Community' doing the support? They don't have the money behind them. They go at their own pace. They have no one to answer to. When you are an owner of one of those cards, they are not worried about you changing cards or selling your hardware.

                  It seems the support is poor anyway and the support for the proprietary driver is always extremely poor. The money is with Winodws. Thus, that is where the support is. I still read tons of posts from various places/forums based on problems with newer Radeon HD cards and I'm not just talking about the Evergreen cards.
                  I'd just like to mention one thing :

                  The linux community moves at an amazing pace. The users are usually also upgrade freaks that upgrade their whole OS every ~6 months. They buy less hardware than windows users, change it less often and there are less of them. They somehow think that they are going to get the same support as windows users!

                  I'd like to see you complain to ATI because you bought an X1100 Gfx card (with a laptop) a few years ago and it doesn't play HD movies because you upgraded to windows 7.5. They'll laugh at you.

                  I'm not saying it's good or they should. But they are a bussiness you need to drop kick some products out of support every now and then.

                  Really what are you doing playing HD media on a laptop like that anyways? Buy an acer revo and be done with it. Those things are cheap as chips and consume less power than my light bulbs.

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                  • #49
                    This is a load of crap. I bought this laptop ~3 years ago mainly for the X1600 ati mobility radeon card (which at that time was quite nice).

                    Now I'm stuck without GL2.0+ 3D support (and flaky GL1.5- support) because AMD decided to drop the ball on newer kernel+xorg releases.

                    I'm not asking for latest fglrx to work, just for the lagacy 8.3 to be updated to work with latest xorg and kernels (and no it's not THAT difficult).

                    That'd give us the 3D and if I want nice movie watching I can swap back to OSS driver (until they make that one work on GL2.0+ with some proper speeds)

                    AMD simply dropped the ball on this.

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                    • #50
                      I also got the laptop problem. Got an X1600 in my laptop, everything works fine. Using catalyst 9.3 with kernel 2.6.26. That works fine. But I would like to upgrade my kernel, but due to the catalyst 9.3, no chance. I use my notebook for playing. Already tried the OSS driver, but fglrx works better for 1st person shooters.
                      Last edited by ruwen; 01-12-2010, 09:22 AM.

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