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  • #11
    The purpose of Zhaoxin CPUs is not taking any performance crown. It is becoming less dependent on foreign CPU imports, same for the Loongson and ShenWei CPUs.
    Originally posted by AsuMagic View Post
    Does x86 emulation reduce the patent problems?
    According to Intel, no.

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    • #12
      Interesting but what the world needs us an ARM based processor available to the whole market. Something to rival Apples ARM cores while supporting desktop and laptop I/O. More importantly the hardware needs to be open, that is full documentation for development including the GPU, CPU, and I/O subsystems. Throw in dedicated hardware to support AI and you have a winner.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by chithanh View Post
        According to Intel, no.
        QEMU emulates an x86 CPU, and it is open source software, no intel license required. How is this different from what is proposed here?

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        • #14
          Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
          Interesting but what the world needs us an ARM based processor available to the whole market. Something to rival Apples ARM cores while supporting desktop and laptop I/O. More importantly the hardware needs to be open, that is full documentation for development including the GPU, CPU, and I/O subsystems. Throw in dedicated hardware to support AI and you have a winner.
          Sounds just like AMD K12... here's hoping they get back on that effort now that Epyc is done.

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          • #15
            Didn't follow the thread, but the 3.0+ GHz and 16nm are not making it competitive at all.

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            • #16
              I waited for this to happen. With AMD and Intel being located in the USA the Management Engine and PSP may be seen as potential hazard to human integrity. It could be expected that there will be projects in other global power nations.

              I really hope for libre boot support soon as a reaction - otherwise this will cost both american companies many customers in the future.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
                Interesting but what the world needs us an ARM based processor available to the whole market.
                The World hasBillions of ARM bases Processors. We need a ARM Based Platform like the IBM-Compatible PC.

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                • #18
                  You really are daft if you expect Chinese CPU to be more secure than American. If it's something thats meant for export anyway.

                  How many x86 licenses are "floating" around anyway? Russians also manufacture CPU's for their internal military-industrial complex (under code name "Elbrus").

                  Chinese could simply want the same. If so, then " non-competitive" performance and "older manufacturing process" are something they care very little about.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by aht0 View Post
                    How many x86 licenses are "floating" around anyway?
                    Afaik only AMD and VIA have the licenses (plus Intel of course).

                    Russians also manufacture CPU's for their internal military-industrial complex (under code name "Elbrus").

                    Chinese could simply want the same. If so, then " non-competitive" performance and "older manufacturing process" are something they care very little about.
                    Chinese had their Elbrus equivalent since 2010 at least, it's called Longsoon. Newer ones have hardware-assisted x86 emulation too.

                    It seems they want to step up their game with this, assuming it is real at all.

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                    • #20
                      As a little reminder:
                      iirc. the Isaiah stuff is comparable to something about AMD Kabini level and few of them can probably be bought in readily soldered complete systems (thin clients maybe).
                      Transmeta also "emulated" a x86 CPU. They had a RISC design and their code morphing SW did a translation from x86 binary code to something that the RISC could process. Basically a genius concept since RISC is less error prone, low power AND you can update and add any x86-additional instruction sets (e.g. new SSE variants) just with a FW update (well, it's on a different paper how long this can be done with good performance in the hardware). But this also was x86 to the outside.

                      Zhaoxin, however, might be aiming for a higher performance level that the usual VIA HTPC/embedded solutions we know. But it remains to be seen if they really can live up to their claims...
                      Stop TCPA, stupid software patents and corrupt politicians!

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