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  • #31
    Originally posted by Brane215 View Post
    New ARMs from AMD are not that far away. They should offer updateg GPU and up to 8-core A57.

    Which should play nicely with freshly compiled code on Linux methinks. And ECC support should fit like hand in glove with new filesystems like BTRFS and like.

    So, if I had to make my choice now, I'd go for something like that A10-7800, but will wait for AMD ARM.
    They already shiping dev kits 64-bit ARM Opterons A1100, runing Fedora

    It is no secret that AMD plans to release SoCs (system on a chip) featuring ARM processor cores and that AMD and ARM have been collaborating on various projects for quite some time. A few months ago, AMD even released its low-power Beema and Mullins processors, which included on-die ARM-based [...]


    But price is not for the Desktop .

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    • #32
      Originally posted by benmoran View Post
      I run an a10-7850k Kaveri on my main Desktop. The reason? I only have space for small form factor PCs, and I wanted the best graphics performance I could get in a CPU/APU. A TV tuner is in my pcix slot, so no discreet card. I am not a crazy gamer, but I do play a lot of games. This APU is more than sufficient for 98% of the 150 games I have in my Steam library. And the CPU is "good enough" by a long shot.

      You're also ignoring the budget market. If you look at who's actually buying these things, it's folks who want to play games on medium at a cheap price.
      I also run the A10-7850k and I am very happy with it. I gives me the perfomance I need for a small amount of money and with the latest Catalyst, it is versy stable too. I think it might be the first computer I have had with no problems at all for the last 6 months.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by xeizo View Post
        The market it's shooting for is probably almost non existent because anyone really interested in graphics performance will most likely run a discrete graphics card, and those not interested in graphics are probably more interested in cpu performance, which is Kaveris weak spot.
        Depends. I have two A10 systems, one is an HTPC/light gaming rig squeezed into a small mITX case, with the CPU/GPU undervolted (and only the CPU underclocked). No space for a dedicated graphics card, and don't care for one. On my projector's native res of 1280x800, the A10-5800K runs all games I play pretty well.

        My other system is in a mATX rig. It's bigger and COULD fit a dedicated GPU, but why? I only do light gaming on my desktop (mostly dota 2) and the A10-5800K runs it just fine. I also don't do heavy CPU lifting on this thing, since I use it only for standard productivity and internet (browsing/email) stuff. So I don't need a dedicated GPU, nor a super fast CPU. I'd rather "good enough" CPU/GPU in a single package.

        I agree though. Most educated buyers probably won't look at an APU since you'd be better off going Haswell Pentium and dedicated GPU for the same price as a 7850K, or else forget about decent GPU performance altogether and get a Core i processor. Of course, AMD still has an advantage on price and APUs look good on paper, so people will still buy them for those reasons alone.

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        • #34
          Gnah, an I'm unemployed now. My contract ended at university and I'm going to write down the thesis. A bit more spare time than lab work before. But little money from our public service for unemployed people (enough for rent and food and that's it). And now that A8-7600 finally sees the light of day. The Asus A88X Plus (3 classic PCIs and other nice interfaces) is said to fit these APUs now so everything would be fine if I had the money.
          Well, but then there were these 45 days holiday I had left (never could take them), I still hope they'll pay me that. That would be an instant Kaveri + a little Kabini system.
          Stop TCPA, stupid software patents and corrupt politicians!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by oleid View Post
            Michael, when benchmarking the CPU, please throw - mtune=generic into the ring, so that we see how it performs on stock distributions.
            Didn't he normally use stock Ubuntu for most tests? I'd expect that to be compiled with some generic march=i686 or similar flags. It's not that Michael was ever using Gentoo.
            Stop TCPA, stupid software patents and corrupt politicians!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Adarion View Post
              And now that A8-7600 finally sees the light of day.
              Did you mean the A10-7800? Both are 65W parts but the latter is TDP configurable for 45W also and they're slightly different otherwise. I don't think the 7600 is even out yet.

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              • #37
                It is scheduled to be in shops here in Europe with a delivery date around 4th of August. So it actually seems to exist. Also price comparison machines always had it with N/A now it is listed with about 95 Euros.
                Stop TCPA, stupid software patents and corrupt politicians!

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                • #38
                  hmm I just dont understand the kaveri I guess.

                  In my mind u need a slow pc kabini for normal tasks but gaming, and a fast cpu for gaming.

                  Then there is another task thats virtualisation. does hsa bring advantages in virtualisation I doubt it.

                  I get amd has Mantle for gaming, but that is not amd cpu specific so its no kaveri advantage.

                  If at least hsa would be a real thing that basicly every app uses very hard, u could argue by libreoffice heavy users or something with very big tables or something like that.

                  So I just dont get why anybody should buy a kaveri, except "its good enough". But then again in most cases thats true for a kabini too, but less expensive and less power costs.


                  Maybe for lowend players. or to get a good mix of good aplication speed and somewhat ok gaming speed.

                  I am maybe to specialise thinker. I guess u have less cables when u have one pc for everything. and less problems with monitorswitching... for lazy people or people or people that want only one box on the table or dont use notebooks or only a desktop replacement, maybe its ok thing.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by xeizo View Post
                    You're hinting at those that don't even know what they are buying, as long as it works, sure. It is a niche.
                    Ok, so 99% of the total market is now considered a niche.
                    Congrats man, you've successfully convinced me to add you to my block filter.

                    Few points before I never hear from you again;
                    1) They are NOT low performing CPU cores. They are quite up there with intel. They just don't show well on standard "intel-favored" compilers, and sure, they don't quite keep up with an intel chip costing a THOUSAND $ MORE (which might get a whopping 1% improvement... big deal)
                    2) APU's are very commonly paired up with a discrete GPU for boosted graphic performance. Even in laptops. Often even with the discrete GPU being of the same BRAND as the APU. My laptop, for example, has an AMD APU + AMD GPU. I disabled the GPU from the bios because I don't have a particular need for the extra power consumption.
                    3) Gamez? Are for loosers who live in their mom's basement and never see daylight or get laid. The rest of the world uses computers for things that are actually *productive*, and those tasks really don't benefit from an extra 0.0001 FPS from adding $1000 of intel + $1000 of nvidia binary trash.

                    So yeah, when I set my wife up a new machine for dealing with the final number crunching for her dissertation, I went with a 7700K. It is a *very* powerful CPU and has adequate connectivity to drive two digital displays simultaneously.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GraysonPeddie View Post
                      What is so special about single-threaded performance? Does single-threaded performance beat the snot out of multi-threaded performance?

                      Why are people making such a big deal out of single-threaded performance?
                      Because that's what Intel marketing told them to make a big deal out of.
                      Frankly, the biggest and most CPU intensive operation I regularly run is a build of AOSP, and I run it -j8 so it pegs *all* my cores.

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