DDR3-800MHz To DDR3-2133MHz Memory Testing With AMD's Kaveri

[UraniumDeer]

yeah, too bad RAM is volatile :-(

Enter MRAM xD

[grigi]

I've been telling people this for years, once you get used to running in RAM, you never go back. It's like the SSD effect, but 10x, since RAM is much faster than SSDs

yeah, too bad RAM is volatile :-(

[grigi]

I don't reboot often (say every few weeks), but open/close apps and other things that use fsync a lot (databases of various kinds).
I also used to hold out on an SSD because of price, but now I really understand its value.

I'm also not saying get an SSD, but that you should really consider one on your next purchase.

[curaga]

I have to say, an SSD is not something you would notice, until you take it away. You get used to a much more snappy response. If I open an application, and it doesn't pop on screen in half a second, I start thinking the computer is broken :-P

I've been telling people this for years, once you get used to running in RAM, you never go back. It's like the SSD effect, but 10x, since RAM is much faster than SSDs

[GreatEmerald]

A few milliseconds won't make a difference to justify 100 or more euros...

It's not *that* expensive these days, if you don't need high capacities. And if you need a storage device, and you're not planning to put a lot of data on it, there is no reason not to go with an SSD.

[TemplarGR]

I have an old atom single-core system running a full Mint kde desktop, it has a shitty hard drive, and even that only takes a minute to boot up. Two minutes is something pretty special!

I have to say, an SSD is not something you would notice, until you take it away. You get used to a much more snappy response. If I open an application, and it doesn't pop on screen in half a second, I start thinking the computer is broken :-P

I also read some report from a small development house (about 10 people), the boss liked his system with an ssd so much, he decided to upgrade everyones desktops with ssds. He then noticed an about 10% increase in productivity, and hypothesized this was the computer taking too long to respond, so peoples attention would wander.
SSD is really worth it for a desktop.

This is a perception thing.

How often do you open apps and boot your pc in a day?

I boot my pc at most 2-3 times a day. I open 4-5 apps at every boot. A few milliseconds won't make a difference to justify 100 or more euros...

I am sorry, but an SSD is a luxury for the desktop. You only need to consider one if you have already spent at least 2000 euros on other parts...

[xpander]

I am running a full KDE desktop, yes. Also the NVIDIA blob and PulseAudio is something that stands out in the boot log. systemd-analyze blame says that it also spends 10 seconds remounting file systems. And of course plenty of startup programs, like Dropbox, Skype, Pidgin.

Offtopic
Mate, Nvidia blobs, pulseaudio, dropbox, pidgin,skype,opera,hexchat
thats an samsung 840evo ssd though

Startup finished in 3.354s (kernel) + 906ms (userspace) = 4.261s

systemd-analyze blame
           228ms NetworkManager.service
           211ms ModemManager.service
           208ms [email protected]\x2duuid-1b48f1c8\x2d2a9a\x2d4f30\x2dba11\x2dd8bd1c9ccd9f.s
           160ms [email protected]\x2duuid-c9582b14\x2de7f5\x2d4496\x2dbc09\x2d7be584a182f4.s
           152ms [email protected]\x2duuid-3dc0c8b4\x2d69ea\x2d4a84\x2d9d73\x2d8976c40ccdf5.s
           122ms dhcpcd.service
           120ms [email protected]\x2duuid-37962c3c\x2dcb8c\x2d4bb4\x2da27a\x2d58e852dcb643.s
           104ms systemd-logind.service
           100ms upower.service
            79ms polkit.service
            75ms mnt-youtube.mount
            67ms systemd-modules-load.service
            65ms mnt-downloads.mount
            60ms udisks2.service
            52ms systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
            46ms systemd-binfmt.service
            40ms kmod-static-nodes.service
            40ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
            39ms dev-hugepages.mount
            39ms dev-mqueue.mount
            38ms systemd-vconsole-setup.service
            38ms systemd-sysctl.service
            37ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
            35ms mnt-stuff.mount
            35ms lm_sensors.service
            30ms cpupower.service
            29ms alsa-restore.service
            24ms [email protected]
            19ms udisks.service
            18ms mnt-backup.mount
            17ms rtkit-daemon.service
            13ms systemd-remount-fs.service
             9ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
             9ms proc-sys-fs-binfmt_misc.mount
             8ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
             7ms systemd-journal-flush.service
             6ms systemd-user-sessions.service
             5ms systemd-update-utmp.service
             3ms tmp.mount
             2ms systemd-udevd.service
             2ms systemd-random-seed.service
             2ms sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount
             1ms sys-kernel-config.mount

[grigi]

I have an old atom single-core system running a full Mint kde desktop, it has a shitty hard drive, and even that only takes a minute to boot up. Two minutes is something pretty special!

I have to say, an SSD is not something you would notice, until you take it away. You get used to a much more snappy response. If I open an application, and it doesn't pop on screen in half a second, I start thinking the computer is broken :-P

I also read some report from a small development house (about 10 people), the boss liked his system with an ssd so much, he decided to upgrade everyones desktops with ssds. He then noticed an about 10% increase in productivity, and hypothesized this was the computer taking too long to respond, so peoples attention would wander.
SSD is really worth it for a desktop.

[GreatEmerald]

This sounds pretty bad even for a HD. Running some bloated sw I guess? Full KDE desktop with indexing, tracking, and Evolution integration all running at startup?

I am running a full KDE desktop, yes. Also the NVIDIA blob and PulseAudio is something that stands out in the boot log. systemd-analyze blame says that it also spends 10 seconds remounting file systems. And of course plenty of startup programs, like Dropbox, Skype, Pidgin.

[tuubi]

Exactly. The only thing an SSD improves for a desktop is boot/shutdown/hibernate times, plus opening a program a few milliseconds faster. And if it is large enough and you use it to install games, it will make games load stages a little faster, big deal... It won't make your pc perform better for the money spend. With the money wasted on an SSD, you can just get a vastly better cpu or gpu...

True, an SSD is not necessary, and a gamer is definitely better off investing in a faster GPU. For me the silence and the overall system speedup is more important and well worth the money. The effect on general responsiveness and things like compile times (I'm in the software design business) is very noticeable on our relatively modern i7-based systems, but I admit I'd be able to function with a regular HDD.