Intel To Use Both Family 18 And Family 19 Identification For Upcoming CPUs

[coder]

Intel processors have long identified in the Family 6 series going back to the 1990s

Michael , Intel used 15 (0Fh) for the Netburst-based CPUs, like Pentium 4 and Pentium D. Then, with Pentium M, and the Core series, they returned to using 6, since those orphaned Netburst and reverted back to the older lineage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID#EAX=1:_Processor_Info_and_Feature_Bits

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Be that as it may, but that discussion has nothing to do with CPUID, which is the topic here.

It kinda is simply because in more and more cases when a sysadmin is looking up the CPUID or the software is doing the same it’s coming back AMD Family 2x…..

[Gonk]

Intel is stuck again with a foundry that can’t compete with TSMC and stuck at Intel 4 process node which is actually 5nm

Just want to remind everyone that process node names have had no relation to dimensions of actual on-chip features for a long time. That said, Intel has long relied on their superior fabs to carry them through any periods when their chip designs were not as efficient as AMD's. At one point Intel's fabs were a full node ahead of everyone else. And then at their "10 nm" process the wheels somehow fell off. TSMC and Samsung caught up and blew past. There is something very wrong at Intel's fabs.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

I'm actually thinking of doing a cheap Alder Lake 12600K build with the MSI Z790 DDR4 board that supports Dasharo so I can play around with coreboot. I looked last night and the board / CPU were only $150 each, reasonably deep into budget territory.

[uxmkt]

Problem is nobody wants their inferior overpriced cpus.

Be that as it may, but that discussion has nothing to do with CPUID, which is the topic here.

[Ferrum Master]

But they don’t even have a plan at least publicly announced about a new CEO. That’s unheard of particularly inside Intel. Until then and even after, look for stealth bailouts, stock buybacks, the selling off of the foundry and a workforce cut of between 20-50 % over the next 3-5 years.

You are right on most parts, but the critique goes both ways regarding to Pat also, he is a engineer that does not know how to manage as he said himself in Davos interview a broken company human resource wise. He is good at planning the tech bits for long term development strategies, but engineers including me are on the weaker side with working with people. The previous CEOs were crooks or randos at Intel... reminds of government. Considering the bribes, deals with OEM makers to priotize their solutions and leave AMD MIA for years... we should call Intel CEO a el Comandante.

He had to start with massive layoffs and cleaning, it is by books how you restart a company, the things that Jim Keller told years ago in interviews after leaving Intel about the internal backstabbing charades in between teams was pretty amusing to me. They say the fish rots from the head... but he woke up too late and these some quotes like AMD in rear mirror view made me think of him as disconnected for them reality at some point and becoming a meme.

If they will pick a failing CEO, they are doomed for real... but he/she need to have to balls to do massive personnel cleaning, I can suggest with the marketing department being the first one, let them eat the famous glue.

I am glad I sold my Intel stock this early summer...

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I well and truly think Intel is in deep, deep trouble. Like…existential. Although Intel’s woes began with the disastrous Netburst P4 rollout and Andy Grove stepping down, it accelerated when Brian Krzanich became CEO and couldn’t get Intel below 14nm and he eventually shut down their mobile chip division ( think smart phones, tablets ). That and that he was more concerned about humping a subordinate at work which he of course as CEO knew was against Intel rules….but hey…CEOs are above the law, right? Until he was fired ostensibly because of that but really it was the fact that AMD broke through 14nm with Zen and Epyc and began eating away at the sweet, sweet market share that Intel enjoyed for so long.

Then the death spiral began when Intel appointed Bob Swan, Intel’s CFO, to the role of CEO. Swan has been nothing but a finance guy from the time he left college with an MBA. He knows nothing about running a tech company, just a bean counter. He even told Intel this is a temporary gig like months. He stayed 2 years with nothing to show but stock buybacks because even he knew he’s just a bean counter. Now he’s working for vulture capital firm Andreesen Horowitz Just to drive the point home.

Finally with the revelation that not even i486 designer Pat Gelsinger could save Intel in time to start raking in that sweet sweet profit margin
( ahem….”shareholder value” ) and that Intel is stuck again with a foundry that can’t compete with TSMC and stuck at Intel 4 process node which is actually 5nm and their process and foundry justification nodes, 20A and 18A, 2nm and 1.8nm, are nowhere near ready for prime time and chip makers are not ordering in the numbers needed for Pat to keep his job.

Intel is now the Chrysler of American chip firms. Just like Chrysler in the 70’s were bailed out by the U.S. government because losing one of the Top 3 auto manufacturers would spark an even worse recession than what was already going on, but Chrysler had the contract to build the next generation of American tanks known as the M1 Abrams. So there were “National Security” concerns. So they bailed them out as “Too Big To Fail”. Intel is precisely that. “ Too Big To Fail”. So they will limp along with Government subsidies. government and Defense Dept. contracts and stealth bailouts, particularly through the Trump administration.

But they don’t even have a plan at least publicly announced about a new CEO. That’s unheard of particularly inside Intel. Until then and even after, look for stealth bailouts, stock buybacks, the selling off of the foundry and a workforce cut of between 20-50 % over the next 3-5 years.

[rabcor]

Problem is nobody wants their inferior overpriced cpus. Everyone still remembers how they behaved while they held a monopoly on decent cpus. How they still behave really.

They should start by working on those 2 problems. They need PR that doesn't suck, marketing that's accurate, and cpus that can compete; if not in performance per watt, then at least in performance per dollar; accounting for the increased power draw with a considerably lower damn price so anybody would actually want it over the competition.

I really don't want intel to die, it'd be an unmitigated disaster for no company to be around to keep AMD in check just as surely as it was an unmitigated disaster when AMD wasn't able to keep intel in check. But I just find it so hard to root for intel even when they're doing this poorly, they make it so easy to dislike them.

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Intel To Use Both Family 18 And Family 19 Identification For Upcoming CPUs

Intel processors have long identified in the Family 6 series going back to the 1990s but over the past number of months Intel engineers have been adapting the Linux kernel to prepare for a post Family 6 Intel CPU era for the model/family CPU identification handling. Patches posted in September introduced Diamond Rapids support as the first Intel Family 19 CPU while new patches for the Linux kernel are indicating Intel will be using both Family 18 and Family 19 identification for future processor models...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Family-19-Family-18-Patch