AMD P-State Driver Improvements Getting Ready For Linux 6.14

[timrichardson]

Michael

There's a massive change that I've recently requested.

The default power policy has been changed from performance to balance_performance. AMD laptop users in particular will be surprised at how much cooler and quieter their systems are right out of the box.

cpufreq/amd-pstate: Set different default EPP policy for Epyc and Ryzen

For Ryzen systems the EPP policy set by the BIOS is generally configured
to performance as this is the default register value for the CPPC request
MSR.

If a user doesn't use additional software to configure EPP then the system
will default biased towards performance and consume extra battery. Instead
configure the default to "balanced_performance" for this case.

Suggested-by: Artem S. Tashkinov
Reviewed-by: Dhananjay Ugwekar
Tested-by: Dhananjay Ugwekar
Closes: [URL]https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219526[/URL]
Signed-off-by: Mario Limonciello
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drivers/cpufreq/amd-pstate.c | 10 ++++++----
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)​

While every other Linux fan here thinks "I hate Linux" I continue to do everything to improve it every day.
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I've seen some of your AMD Phoenix / 7840U power management bug reports with test data, detailed reasoning and effective work with AMD developers, and they have been very good and very helpful for all other linux 7840U users, Framework, Lenovo etc. I'm one of them, so thank you.

[NateHubbard]

Michael

There's a massive change that I've recently requested.

The default power policy has been changed from performance to balance_performance. AMD laptop users in particular will be surprised at how much cooler and quieter their systems are right out of the box.

This is extremely minor. I just use a kernel command line option to set the default.

While every other Linux fan here thinks "I hate Linux" I continue to do everything to improve it every day.

I'm not sure why you have to lash out like that. That's probably why you're so popular here.

[avis]

From now on I will try my best not to read any comments on Phoronix any longer as I don't want to deal with haters/freeloaders. It's sad as there are some smart and decent people here (including mdedetrich and skeevy420 ) but they are such a minority that I guess I won't miss much.

I will also add the link to my most pertinent recent post to my profile info:

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/nvidia-linux/1504824-nvidia-outlines-current-wayland-limitations-upcoming-driver-features?p=1504934#post1504934

Lastly I will also change my notification settings to ignore any mentions. I cannot tolerate this stupid aggression any more.

I've seen some of your AMD Phoenix / 7840U power management bug reports with test data, detailed reasoning and effective work with AMD developers, and they have been very good and very helpful for all other linux 7840U users, Framework, Lenovo etc. I'm one of them, so thank you.

Thanks a lot! Yeah, AMD has also been hard at work at fixing video playback power consumption and they've made a lot of progress, though some bit and pieces are missing in software support (on the Wayland side) and some features will only be implemented in their future products in hardware (looks like they were surprised at how super effective Intel was in this regard). They've been quite receptive.

[the-burrito-triangle]

I don't get why avis gets all this hate thrown his way. I actually appreciate him making bug reports for things like Wine and the kernel. If we all sent in bug reports (respectfully and with helpful and thoughtful comments) the Linux kernel and user space would be in a much better state. I also don't understand all the toxic ideology behind hating MS or systemd. I used Windows up until Windows 8.1 and switched over to Linux after great personal disappointment in the direction MS was taking Windows. Linux has been a decent experience for me, but the general community is quite bipolar and ideologically driven. We wouldn't need CoCs if people stopped being cocks themselves. I'm not saying people can't have an opinion and state one's disagreement with something, but being an asshole is not the solution. It's childish and sad to see people unable to communicate without resorting to ad honimems and pointless insults that reflect the attackers own insecurities rather than bring up useful ideas or proposals.

[archkde]

There's a massive change that I've recently requested.

The default power policy has been changed from performance to balance_performance. AMD laptop users in particular will be surprised at how much cooler and quieter their systems are right out of the box.

Most of them won't, because they're running power-profiles-daemon which already applies that setting in its default balanced mode.

[tenchrio]

. I'm not saying people can't have an opinion and state one's disagreement with something, but being an asshole is not the solution. It's childish and sad to see people unable to communicate without resorting to ad honimems and pointless insults that reflect the attackers own insecurities rather than bring up useful ideas or proposals.

The problem with that statement is that Avis is more guilty of the things he accuses others off. His are in fact so bad that they get caught by the automod, he then complains about how his posts are being deleted when he throws around extremely disrespectful words. One of his recently deleted posts (I'm talking about last week) had some that would perma-ban you on other platforms.

He is currently ban evading as his first account was perma banned (the one he keeps begging back for in his bio) for bad behavior, and has been threatened with bans on other platforms because of his behavior. His ego is so inflated he even links to places where they threatened to ban him because he just can't admit being wrong (just scroll to the last comment on that issue, the devs really don't like his shenanigans):

Hopefully someone will pick up this mad request some day.

That is a negative, especially the way he then tends to talk about the Wayland project and its developer in an attempt to appeal to the part of the Phoronix community that isn't a fan of Wayland, quite literally fueling hate with pointless insults just because they don't agree with him.

Then there is also the issue of his poor quality control on issue trackers like duplicate issues or plain issues that don't relate to the project (and in the latter case he once again waste the devs their time by trying to insist the problem lies there instead of just listening). There are a lot of times where I don't make a new issue on open source projects because, well, one already exists. But Avis/Artem increases the git managers workload by creating duplicate issues, in some cases it even seems like older issues are closed as duplicates of his.

For example, there is an issue related to power consumption and HW video decoding on AMD opened on November 29 2023, Avis comments on it January 19 2024, he opens his own issue on the same topic on the same git tracker under a different project February 21 2024 and February 27 the original issue is closed as a duplicate of Avis's (well the wrong ticket was referenced at first and it was corrected February 28, but you get the jist). So is Avis humble? Does he mention someone else pointed out the issue before?
Of course not and he uses it to fuel his usual rants about Wayland and the Kernel, insulting the linux community, the kernel developers and the wayland devs.

In other cases his issue gets closed as a duplicate (or again just being plain irrelevant) but with ones like these he uses it as an argument on unrelated discussions in an effort to have people agree with him, almost as if he isn't doing it in order to make Linux or open source better for everyone but purely to try and build a repertoire so he can pretend to be an authoritative figure and silence anyone who disagrees with him not on the basis of his argument but on who he is (and he does this a lot).

His current account (Avis) here on Phoronix has from my knowledge been temporarily banned twice already because he tripped up the automod to much with his usual hate filled rants. I can assure you that for instance for this statement of yours:

.I used Windows up until Windows 8.1 and switched over to Linux after great personal disappointment in the direction MS was taking Windows. Linux has been a decent experience for me

Would be met with the usual:

I've never claimed Linux is incapable of doing things.

Linux is incapable of working reliably, for all use cases and all people (in the most recent Wayland thread people seriously told me I should abandon my DE and switch to Gnome/KDE just to get all the features of Wayland, isn't it some kind of cringe? I mean Linux used to require special hardware, now Linux needs special software to be usable? LMAO what?) and that's only a concern on the desktop.

If it wasn't for you defending him he would probably lash out at you like he does with everyone who disagrees with him in the slightest (and trust me that is just a recent rant that is way more toned back then what he has been posting in the past as again some of his posts are so filled with insults they just get deleted and eventually led to him being temporarily banned, again just by my count, twice). You can see his toxic and hateful behavior in the thread that that quote comes from, his first words in his first post there are literally "Let's phrase your lies differently:", not "I disagree because" or a simply "Counter points", nope straight up accuses the other person is lying and then brings up points that people already have already disproven the last time he brought them up (and the times before, he really has a hard time to admit being wrong to the point he blacklists or threatens to blackist people who keep disagreeing with him). Most people on the forum are just sick of his behavior, so no wonder he sees the Phoronix/linux community as full of toxicity, hatred and animosity as they are just responding in kind.

[avis]

An amazing amount of half-truths, lies and misrepresentation about what I've been doing.

The first two paragraphs, no citations, nothing.

Groundless speculations about me facing multiple bans when in reality the only freedesktop ban was suggested because I pressed for something that results in Linux working properly for all Wayland users something that we still can't enjoy 16 years after its introduction.

Evading a ban here on phoenix? LMAO, I've made it perfectly clear who I am from the get go.

And do you know the reason Michael handed me the harsh treatment? In his words: "His posts receive a large number of complaints". That's it. It wasn't done because I insulted people, trolled or talked shit.

I'll tell you even more. Michael perfectly knows who I am under this new nickname.

Later on: a "wrong" bug report as if as a user I must know how window maximization is handled in XFCE/X11. Sorry, I don't, I see it happening under kdocker and not happening otherwise and the developer couldn't even bother to explain why it's happening that way. Maybe there are other similar bug reports where I "wasted developers' time"? You've not provided any.

Trying to "expose" me for filling duplicate bug reports when in reality I just want shit to be paid attention to and fixed and it's my persistence that ultimately results in them being fixed. And oh boy you've never credited me for filing thoughtful actionable but reports. In fact almost a thousand of them over the past 25 years and the vast majority of them have been either fixed or turned out to be duplicates and still fixed.

Dude, just this week the wine project fixed broken systray support, the only bug report of a kind, must be a coincidence right? Sorry, no dupes.

You carefully isolated individual cases that you put under a special light and made extreme conclusions about me overall.

That's the absolute shittiest pretending to be unbiased and factual post I've read about myself in the three decades that I've been online. Congratulations on this achievement. I'm truly disgusted. And of course we know nothing about you because just like most people attacking and disparaging me here non stop you're hiding behind a non-descript nickname.

You could become a truly amazing spin doctor, I'll give you that. You could work for FOX News or join Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson.

Kudos for this "analysis" . Only it's flawed to the core and it's not an analysis at all. It's a mean lowly attack which uses isolated facts about me to make general completely false statements.

[avis]

Most of them won't, because they're running power-profiles-daemon which already applies that setting in its default balanced mode.

In all distros, really?

In all distros spins, really?

Then why don't I have it installed by default in Ubuntu LTS, or Fedora?

Why can't you be factual for Christ's sake? You are talking as if there's just one Linux distro and everyone has this deamon installed which can't be further from the truth.

I see we have not just one, but multiple spin doctors here.

What a lovely day!

[avis]

This is extremely minor. I just use a kernel command line option to set the default.

This post encompasses almost everything that's wrong with Linux:

• "It works for me it must work for everyone."
• I've learned this deep level hack everyone must know about it.
• You've just assumed people love to hack their systems? Fat no! 99.99% users use their systems with default settings except for changing the background picture.
• You've just assumed normal people know what the kernel and grub are.
• That both of them can be hacked.
• That there's CLI and grub settings can be changed.
• That's there's "sudo".
• That's there's "vim".
• That there's commands to rebuild the grub config.
• Oh, wait, the user must know it's even possible.

Linux will forever remain a niche obscure half-assed OS with this attitude. People want to get shit done, not spend hundreds of hours learning how stuff works at the deepest levels. They don't do that with any other widespread OS (outside of geeks of course but geeks are geeks).

In Windows: Start - Settings - Power Management - Set the desired power scheme. Boom. You're done.

In Linux:

• Bright Linux user n1: did you know you could hack the kernel?
• Bright Linux user n2: wait there's a daemon that configures it (never mind that balanced is most likely used only when you're running on battery).

The user: what are you talking about? What's this cryptic shit? Sorry, I'll go back to Windows/MacOS.

Cringe.

[intelfx]

There's a massive change that I've recently requested.

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While every other Linux fan here thinks "I hate Linux" I continue to do everything to improve it every day.

Hopefully someone will pick up this mad request some day.

A piece of advice to you.

There is quite a lot of people here besides you who contribute to Linux and many other free software projects.

But, unlike you, we just do the work and generally keep our trap shut about it. And, when we do say something about it, we do not try to use that message as a vehicle to push some irrelevant personal agenda or shit-talk everybody else (again, unlike you).

You probably won't listen to my advice though, because (judging by the amount of hubris) you think you are the single most important person in the desktop Linux community. Well, you aren't.