AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Linux Performance: Zen 5 With 3D V-Cache

[avis]

A processor who can't run 99.99% of all games natively. Ok Apple fanboy

I'm not an Apple fanboy, I've owned zero Apple devices in my entire life.

Secondly, the world doesn't revolve around [x86] games.

Thirdly, as a Linux user you could be a little more modest as there are no (AAA) games for Linux at all. The last one was released probably 5 years ago.

Fourthly, a user of the OS with no games tells me something about Apple which actually has a ton of modern AAA titles.

Lastly, get lost with your name calling.

[yump]

People complaining about power efficiency are barking up the wrong tree.

120 W / 65 W is a ratio of 1.85. To just match, not even beat, the perf/watt of the lower-powered predecessor when you have that kind of disparity, you need something like a 1.85^(2/3) ~= 50 % architectural performance advantage. That just doesn't happen anymore. The thermal improvements that let the chip pull over 120 W without slagging itself are the technical achievement.

In single-threaded and lightly-threaded tasks, the ECO power limit makes almost very little difference to either performance *or* power, because those tasks don't hit the power limit. If you want the 9800X3D to be as efficient as the 7800X3D, limit the boost clock, not the power.

[_ReD_]

Secondly, the world doesn't revolve around [x86] games.

The computer gaming world does, and this CPU (not the M4) is the freaking king of gaming.
Sorry, if it's not much to you.

Thirdly, as a Linux user you could be a little more modest as there are no (AAA) games for Linux at all. The last one was released probably 5 years ago.

And who cares?
Since Valve blessed Linux with Proton, I don't really see what you're blabbing about.

Fourthly, a user of the OS with no games tells me something about Apple which actually has a ton of modern AAA titles.

WOW! That's precious. A ton??? Let me tell you, I do have an Apple and I beg to differ.

[DumbFsck]

What exactly would be so better about it? ARM isn't some dark magic and Apple is just licensing ARM. The only thing this chips are better at is power efficiency, because this platform was mainly used in power restricted use cases and hence a big junk of the engineering went into that aspect.

This just isn't true. Firstly because Apple extended the ISA, so it is different than ARM from the get go (and yes this is something that holders of the specific license can and do do, not only apple). Second what they did with UMA and Cache Hierarchy was different than what basically anyone else did (or do!) and gave them (at least at the time) best in class latencies, add to that that their memory controller is 100% custom.

Then with their different GPU architecture than Mali or afreno or whatever, they get closer linear scaling with GPU tiles they add to the package. And IMO they had the best way to glue processors together until Intel made foveros work (it is foveros right? I can't remember if foveros is 3D stacking only and there's another name to gluing together) (I recognize how good infinity fabric is and how innovative it was). IMO I'm benefits for the consumer I'd say foveros > "ultra fusion" > infinity fabric >>>>>> not doing anything of the sort.


Lastly I'd say Apple chip designers were very good in deciding what accelerators to add and created some nice designs, like the media accelerators and all the work with the ISA and circuits and accelerators to make Rosetta emulate x86 able to (on Apple Silicon) perform faster than any non x86 architecture ever could.


Thermals, power, etc is also good I guess.


So what would be better, you ask? If premiere or whatever can export videos as fast as in some ridiculously more expensive CPUs (judging price from the fact that a Mac mini can cost less than a top of the line CPU, and this is true from the M1) and custom GPU benchmarks and TFLOPS or whatever run very well as well, if games or other software not made for M CPU/GPUs or ported with their compatibility layer can run "well" - if they were made or optimized for it I *guess* they'd also get very high frames/USD compared to other architectures.

All the x86_64 CPUs, no matter if Intel or AMD completely outclass the Apple stuff in almost every regard, including performance, newer hardware support, more and faster connectivity. It's not even close.

You just fell for the Apple marketing, that is basically all.

Laughable.

[ZeroPointEnergy]

Secondly, the world doesn't revolve around [x86] games.

This is a thread about a CPU that is specifically tailored for gaming workloads, so yes, it does revolve around games.

Thirdly, as a Linux user you could be a little more modest as there are no (AAA) games for Linux at all. The last one was released probably 5 years ago.

Linux has an implementation of the windows API that lets us game basically all (except titles with anti-cheat) windows titles at native performance. This CPU can be fully utilized on a Linux gaming setup.

The Apple processors have a completely different instruction set. Their graphics chip is tailored to their own proprietary graphics API that virtually no one uses. It's a complete joke to even mention those products in the context of this thread. They are not even remotely competitive.

[ayumu]

I wonder how it performs with ECC memory, which it supports.

Kinda sad absolutely nobody has reviewed it with ECC.

[avis]

This is a thread about a CPU that is specifically tailored for gaming workloads.

So what? It warrants a massive 50% price increase? Go buy one or two. AMD loves fanboys.

The Apple processors have a completely different instruction set. Their graphics chip is tailored to their own proprietary graphics API that virtually no one uses. It's a complete joke to even mention those products in the context of this thread. They are not even remotely competitive.

MacOS features native AAA titles. Linux has had none over the past five years or so.

Continue to emulate when normal people run games natively.

Continue to avoid games with kernel level anticheats.

Continue to fight infinite regressions in the kernel, MESA, wine and DXVK.

This is just cringe.

[nuetzel]

Michael
Your numbers for GAMES? ;-)

[tenchrio]

So what? It warrants a massive 50% price increase? Go buy one or two. AMD loves fanboys.

It means there is a market for it and the fact it once again outperforms its previous iteration, something that Intel even struggles with to do across the board. Apple loves it fanboys more by the way, I mean which other suckers would suggest buying $1000+ devices for gaming to get less performance than a $400 console let alone a $480 CPU aimed specifically at getting the most FPS out of .

MacOS features native AAA titles. Linux has had none over the past five years or so.

CIV 7 is coming out 11 of February 2025 with native Linux support.
But hey let's talk about the performance of said games on MacOS shall we?
With the latest M4 Pro Mac mini (starting at $1400) we can get a whopping 139FPS at 1920x1200 in Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Now what can Linux get natively in said title? At 1440P 142 FPS on the 1080 TI, Apple on a lower resolution can't even beat Linux performance from 2018 and the simple combination of an RTX 4060 and a Ryzen 7600X could now easily beat that performance from 2018.
Man that is quite the "pathetic showing". Not to mention that it seems despite all these AAA titles you claim are released on MacOS, most reviews stuck to Tomb Raider and Civ 6.

Meanwhile games like Dragon Age: The Veilguard get Steamdeck verified (so playable on Linux) before it has even been released, if you were on Steam at the time it would even be advertised with being Steam Deck verified (no MacOS version though).
Games like No Man's Sky even mention Linux in their patch notes (for VR no less) despite not having a native Linux build because they actually fix things to work in Proton.
Not to mention that this has nothing to do with the argument that ZeroPointEnergy made; being that the Metal API, the only graphics API supported on MacOS, doesn't run all that great despite all of the synthetic benchmarks making performance claims for its GPU. For OpenGL and Vulkan it has to use compatibility layers like MoltenVK, but I guess you would only call that a bad thing if it is being done by Linux.

Continue to emulate when normal people run games natively.

WINE is not an emulator (I guess you haven't really been long in the Linux scene since that was the original acronym for Wine), neither is Proton. Just like how Birdie is not a kernel maintainer.

Continue to avoid games with kernel level anticheats.

Some people do even on Windows (I know plenty of people that stopped playing League after they introduced Vanguard) and a lot of kernel anticheats like Battleye and EAC have native version on Linux an work in Proton. Another Avis strawman classic.

Continue to fight infinite regressions in the kernel, MESA, wine and DXVK.

Implying Windows does not see regressions. God the Asus Rog disaster still makes me chuckle, imagine buying the Windows equivalent of the Steamdeck for almost twice the price advertising better performance only to have 1 Windows update crash the performance so hard that even Doom 2 from 1995 can't run without stuttering to levels of unplayable. Windows fanboys truly are on another level of absolute delusion, echo chamber and bubble don't come close to the alternative reality that Avis's "mind" resides in.

This is just cringe.

Yes, your posts usually are.

[ZeroPointEnergy]

Continue to fight infinite regressions in the kernel, MESA, wine and DXVK.

That sounds like a skill issue on your end